Women who make false rape allegations are not evil degenerates the way any male rapist is assumed to be. They have merely behaved "stupidly," as in the news story below. Usually, this is a code word for "no prison time."
Sometimes, if the false rape claimant has acted very badly, her act is said to be "stupid in the extreme," as here. This is as harsh, as merciless, and as extreme a condemnation as one can imagine for such a poor woman.
Closely related to the "stupid" label is the conclusion that the woman is "troubled." The Hofstra false rape claimant is the poster child for "troubled" false rape accusers. They might have purposefully destroyed the lives of multiple young men, but this is wholly explained by the fact that they are "troubled." (Now a young man who commits rape can't possibly have been "troubled." He is simply evil.) And here's another "troubled" young woman.
Other times, false accusers are said to have "issues." They are in need not of jail time but a therapist. You see, the proper reaction to a troubled young false rape accuser is pity, not anger. She must be left alone so she can deal with her problems. Women who are "stupid" or "troubled" enough to make a false rape claim should not be charged, the sexual grievance industry tells us. "I would recommend some form of therapeutic intervention rather than charging them," says Dr. Kim McGregor, about whom I will have much to say in the next few days -- I am preparing an entire post on her.
For now, read the latest news about a woman whose false rape claim was not really a crime, but was merely "stupid":
Aberdeen woman, 30, made false rape claim
Accusation sparked major police probe
Published: 08/10/2009
A WOMAN who sparked a major police investigation after falsely accusing a former partner of rape has escaped five years behind bars.
Elizabeth Christie, 30, told a detective at Aberdeen’s Grampian Police headquarters she had been raped.
Her alleged attacker was investigated and ordered to appear at the High Court in Aberdeen.
But Christie, whose address was given in court papers as 6f Park Road, Aberdeen, admitted the claims were false on September 2, 2007, at Aberdeen’s sheriff court.
Sheriff Annella Cowan sentenced Christie to two years’ probation.
Sheriff Cowan said: “I could send you to jail for five years. You acted very, very stupidly.”
Link: http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1429869?UserKey=
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Excellent points.
Well, they are, because there is ALWAYS the implicit assumption that the false accuser could not possibly predict the horrific problems her false accusations cause for her victims.
AfOR
Right AfOR. They're like the guy who drives a car through a crowded playground blindfolded. Why should he think that might be a problem for some hapless kid?
The gender feminist /law enforcement misinformation Alliance will be seen in the future, as the perversion that it is.
This misinformation Alliance is a stain on the American constitution, and it does not matter how many perverts have their hands dirty..it's gotta stop.
Using state and federal funds to manufacture faulty and inflammatory misinformation that prejudices against innocent men/boys..is a modern perversion, and un-constitutional.
Best post in ages.
Such accurate and well argued points with high quality, topical evidence to prove them
I want to "posit" something here.
I have two statements for you.
1/ Most (real) rape victims do not report it to the Authorities.
2/ Most (real) anally probed by aliens victims do not report it to the Authorities.
The salient factor here is NOT that one is a serious crime, and the other is risible.
The salient factor here is that BY DEFINITION the number, (n) of these non reporting people is not merely unknown, but, BY DEFINITION, UNKNOWABLE.
If (t) is the total number of actual rapes (assume godlike knowledge)
If (r) is the number of rapes reported to the Authorities...
If (f) is the number of false rapes reported to the Authorities...
Then simple logic tells us some things.
ONE
(r) > (f) always
TWO
(t) and (f) are mutually exclusive sets
THREE
(t) - (n) = (r)
FOUR
(t) - (n) < (r) + (f) always
From this, it is simple logical deduction, because you simply cannot talk about (n) without acknowledging that (n) is anything between zero and millions, there is simply no way to know.
In fact, given the quality of the data pool, THE MOST HONEST way to express this question is thus.
(t) = (r) - (f) with a margin of error of plus or minus (n)
In the UK this means that in percentage terms this equation looks like this, from the latest conviction figures.
(6%) = (100%) - (94%) plus or minus (n%)
Where's Atom Feminazi troll when you need her?
Anon at 7:11: I'm too lazy to figure out what you're saying. Tell me in ten words or less.
Okay, let's say that the American Medical Association is lying with their assertion that 60% of Rape victims do NOT report the assault.
Let's shave it down to 45%. Don't you think it's horrible that only about HALF the women Raped actually report it?!?
When we encourage more women who don't already report rape to report it, the percentage of false accusers will be higher than it is now even.
@ Anon 7:11:00 PM
Hate to say but:
(t) = (r) - (f) with a margin of error of plus or minus (n)
Where (t) and (n) are unknown is gibberish. Even (f) is unknown.
(r) is the only solid piece of data. Then trying figure out (t) by polling and questioning, in LEGITIMATE studies (not ones where rape is defined as "i thought the man had a naughty thought about me") still leads to shockingly small number.
Then add on top that best estimates of (f) are between 35-60% and that is of reported rapes. Not just rapes girls have said happened to friends and family and never reported (yet would have answered yes to rape in a poll or study).
You'd be looking at VERY different numbers.
Probably in the realm of 150K or so a year, given 154.7 million women in the US. Which means a percentage of 0.096961
@Anon 9:06
There's got to be a better way to curb false accusations than to stifle real victims of rape.
I need a break ... I'm tired of nagging.
@ Atom
Well a good start would be giving false accusers, not accusers where the male was found "not guilty" but where it was obvious she lied... after all it is "not guilty" not "innocent", something more than a slap on the wrist.
Also perhaps treating rape like a regular crime and not brutalising men over an accusation.
This leaves the floor more than open for real rape victims to come forward, as even if the man is found "not guilty" due to inability to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt, if it were true there would be no way for it to fall back upon the woman as a false accuser.
The truth will set you free and all that.
"There's got to be a better way to curb false accusations than to stifle real victims of rape."
You miss the point entirely. Nobody is stifling real victims of rape. Real victims of rape have nothing to do with this.
Wish I had time to explain the problems with 7:11's analysis. Don't waste your time. Seriously. And Veldan, I am going to be posting a major piece, probably on Glenn's site, about why all the percentages we use for false rape claims -- even Kanin's -- are worthless. They are all likely too low. For 35 years we've been using the feminists' way of talking about false rape claims as if we have any idea whether a claim is true or false beyond (1) that percentage we are fairly certain we know are false, and (2) that percentage of convictions we are fairly certain were actual rapes. The point is we need to insist on a new way of talking about the prevalence of false rape claims.
@ Pierce
Yeah i agree. I was just throwing some averaged numbers and correcting incredibly faulty formula.
Even in the "feminists world" the numbers they keep spurting just aren't there. Let alone a sane world.
I say women that don't report their rape are criminals.
I say that women who falsely accuse of rape are criminals.
women that don't report their rapist are harboring a rapist who may do it to another women.
I don't believe women and girls are being raped all over the place, and the only way to get the real truth is to force it out.
Neo gender feminists get way to much "hysteria power"..by spreading faulty and inflammatory misinformation, and they don't want to force out the truth.
They want to be able to lynch innocent men/boys whenever they feel like it.
Veldan, we are on the same page.
Anonymous @10:28:00 PM said...
I say women that don't report their rape are criminals.
Don't do this.
Clearly, simply demanding that the injustice system charge false accusers isn't having much immediate impact.
Perhaps its time we started demanding quid pro quo. If law enforcement won't charge false rape fraudsters, why should we lend these same agencies moral support in prosecuting rapists?
If we found out that a doctor had a history of misdiagnosing certain ailments and neglecting their treatment, wouldn't most people assume that the same doctor's competence in dealing with all ailments was suspect?
The analogy is a sound one right across the board. When we entrust a certain duty to a select group of people, and those same people repeatedly show an incapacity in dealing with the tasks in their trust, it's only reasonable to assume that their management in general is up for review. We shouldn't let them continue to put other people's lives and liberties at risk.
As the innocence project keeps revealing, law enforcement is bungling and abusing their position everywhere, not just false rape. It was recently revealed that they executed an innocent man in Texas for an arson that didn't happen. How much more seriously incompetent can you be? Would a doctor, airline pilot or bus-driver be allowed such freedom to continue to operate with such a track record? But so far I hear of no-one being held accountable and no-one's license to operate being revoked - even though we have a dead man's body as evidence of dereliction of duty.
We get what we put up with. While we continue to tolerate such 4th rate individuals running law enforcement, then we will continue to get this 4th rate service.
I don't know about you, but if I thought my doctor was as likely to kill me as cure me, I'd give him a wide berth. I certainly wouldn't be asking for his help in other areas in the hope that his incompetence wasn't as manifest there, and I surely wouldn't be recommending him to anyone else.
So for the women who think we are somehow the allies of criminals, think hard about this. If the legal system refuses to act as it should with false rape accusers, it likely can't be trusted to act sensibly in dealing with other crimes as well. You're putting your trust in a quack.
Said which such authority...surely it must have thrown the fear of God into her:
"I COULD have sentenced you to five years!! You're STUPID!!"
Even now I am trembling to the core, just by thinking about it. The poor girl!
Anon: "women that don't report their rapist are harboring a rapist who may do it to another women."
SO many holes in this it's not funny.
First off, what if they were drugged and incapable of recognising/describing their attacker? What if the attacker was masked?
There are a LOT of reasons a person who was sexually assaulted might believe that they didn't stand a chance of finding their attacker, let alone getting a conviction. A lot of people look at the odds and believe it's hopeless, so give up. It's a human thing to do. It's sad, it lets a lot go sliding by that should be held accountable, but there's no way to force someone to face those odds if they don't want to. Ultimately, it's the victim's choice to report it or not.
Personally, I think that not reporting it is foolish, but I'm not everyone, and I've never been sexually abused. I can't even begin to imagine what victims go through.
"There's got to be a better way to curb false accusations than to stifle real victims of rape."
You are one of the most convoluted people I have ever seen on any board. Don't give them more encouragement = stifling them?
So I assume you've been complaining all along about the lack of encouragement?
sonja,
is your conscience bothering you again, or did you just drop in so we'd check out your link?
Norm, stick it. I'm sick to death of repeating myself. Why is it that only YOU know of this supposed blog that I purportedly keep, and why do I not have a link to it? I can't see WTH it is you're talking about.
Of course false accusers "have issues" - being evil is an issue.
Anon at 11:08: You make a great point. I would add this: we need not look just to the Innocence Project to see how our justice system operates when it comes to rape. Does anyone think that the Hofstra innocent men would have been sprung from jail if one of them hadn't taken a video of the event? And there are countless incidents like that -- where law enforcement arrested first, set bail at excessive levels designed to insure the accused wouldn't walk, and only then did it bother to examine the evidence.
I'm sick of seeing innocent men/boys rape lynched for rapes that simply never happened.
neo gender feminists get even more societal power when they say.."WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT JUST ARE NOT TELLING". I say bullshit, not only bullshit, but dangerous and volatile bullshit that leads to innocent men/boys being rape lynched over false accusations.
sonja spouts off
"Ultimately, it's the victim's choice to report it or not."
I say bullshit, women are not being raped all over the place "and just not telling anyone".
The only way to prove that women are not being raped all over the place..and are just are not telling anyone..is to make it illegal to harbor rapists.
Then when police jurisdictions are flooded with even more trash false rape accusations..then society will finally come out of it's rape lynch mentality.
By saying its "womens choice" to report their rapist or not report...it gives them the collective power to say.."WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED BEHIND EVERY CLOSED DOOR IN AMERICA"..which is simply not true.
The power to spread faulty and inflammatory misinformation need to be taken from them, for innocent men/boys are being beaten to death in their sleep with bats over false rape accusations.
Anonymous - ”By saying its "womens choice" to report their rapist or not report...it gives them the collective power to say.."WOMEN ARE BEING RAPED BEHIND EVERY CLOSED DOOR IN AMERICA"..which is simply not true..”
While I’m certain that there is some number of women who chose not to report rapes, I’m not convinced that their number is anywhere near the 60% we are repeatedly informed of.
A lot of supposed rapes are so-called date-rapes, in which the unwanted sexual act often arises out of misunderstanding of a woman’s “cues”, and even her failure to adequately articulate her desire for a man to stop. I’m sure that such women do indeed feel violated, but also ashamed of themselves for NOT making a better effort to put a stop to the sex, or even not be more selective in choosing who to become amorous with. I’d guess that these are the women who make up the majority of non-reporters. [It should also be noted that from Heather McDonald’s groundbreaking piece, “The Myth of Campus Rape”, it is also known that a significant portion of women who were counted as rape victims did not, themselves, consider what had happened to have been rape.]
On the other hand, victims of violent rapes – even if they cannot identify their attackers – are very likely to report their attacks. They want protection, medical treatment, and long-term help (counseling) as much as they want justice. They don’t make mental calculations regarding the prospects of conviction.
Just as an aside, I think more than a few folks will understand what I mean by there also being a fairly good chance that if a date-rapist is also a desirable male (a “10”, an “alpha”, what-have-you), the woman he forces into having unwanted sex with him is much less likely to report it as a rape than if the man where less desirable.
I posted this on another thread, but I think it also fits here as an illustration if what I’ve proffered:
Somewhat on-topic for this discussion, I caught a glimpse of the flippant nature of women WRT sexuality and rape last night, that I wanted to mention here.
My wife and I went to the Diva’s Of Comedy show at the Denver Improv last night, which features as the headliner comedienne Amy Schumer.
As is quite typical of comediennes, her act featured quite a bit of sexualized raunch, and liberal gratuitous referenced to her sexuality (even calling herself a slut a tone point).
[I’d add that all of the female performers freely joked about their sexuality and slutty behaviors – two of them actually calling themselves “sluts”]
On it’s own, her act was quite funny. I’m no prude, and if women want to joke about their rampant unrestrained sexuality, I’m more than willing to laugh along.
Yet, as one who has taken a bit of an interest in the issue of false rape & mischaracterized rape, her act took a bit of a dark turn for me.
First, she commented that she only liked police shows (on television) where there were sex-based crimes (obvious allusion to NBC’s Law & Order: SVU); not too subtly implying a that sex-based crimes had a titillating effect on her, in follow-up comments that I won’t repeat here.
She even went so far as to pick out a young man from the audience, commenting on his good looks, and saying, “If you date-raped me, I wouldn’t even tell the police” [to a roar of laughter from the women in the audience – a quick glance around was enough to see that I wasn’t the only man there who wasn’t quite sure about the appropriateness of the subject, even to joke around about].
She followed that up with a clarification, “Well maybe…, but just to be able to see you again at the line-up”.
Know, I’ll admit she was quite funny overall, and even I got a chuckle out of her rape-related stuff. However, it was an indication to me of the way in which women can be quite flippant about the subject of rape.
This is so true ... "Just as an aside, I think more than a few folks will understand what I mean by there also being a fairly good chance that if a date-rapist is also a desirable male (a “10”, an “alpha”, what-have-you), the woman he forces into having unwanted sex with him is much less likely to report it as a rape than if the man where less desirable."
I have something similar on my blog: Rape is indiscriminate with no boundaries. Don't be disarmed by a good looking frat man having a top grade point average and high IQ. He may also be the frat president and devote endless hours to charitable causes.
None of the above assets preclude a man from commiting rape if he has the mindset to Score at any cost.
Atom - "None of the above assets preclude a man from commiting rape if he has the mindset to Score at any cost."
Let's not conflate those (few) instances where a man does force his date (or, as is all too common today, his random hook-up) into sexual acts with instances of false rape reports.
I proffered the notion of decreasing likelihood of reporting with increasing male desirability as a way of explaining why some rapes may go unreported.
I suspect you are taking far too great a liberty with my words in (seemingly) suggesting that those falsely accused of date-rape (where regret or failure to refuse is mis-characterized as "rape") can be seen as actual rapist based on your theory of "score at all cost" attitudes being prevalent amongst young men.
If such an attitude does exist, it is only among a very small sub-set of men.
The reality is that in most false date-rapes, the man "scored" at virtually no cost, as the women drank and drugged herself to lower her inhibitions in the hope and anticipation of having sex, and likely initiated the sexual encounter - only to regret it later, and re-imagined it as having been rape. I guess such scenarios account for 90%(+) of all false date-rape reports.
Yes, I took some liberty there when your point was that a desirable male may get off the hook (being reported) as opposed to a nerdy sort.
I believe also that the "score at any cost" attitudes belong to a dangerous minority within an all-male group.
"I believe also that the "score at any cost" attitudes belong to a dangerous minority within an all-male group."
I wouldn't call it an "all-male" group.
Women can be rapists,too. I've been raped multiple times,and every time it was a woman who raped me.
Oh, and here's a excerpt from Heather Mac Donald's "The Campus Rape Myth" regarding such campus rape studies:
Koss’s study had serious flaws. Her survey instrument was highly ambiguous, as University of California at Berkeley social-welfare professor Neil Gilbert has pointed out. But the most powerful refutation of Koss’s research came from her own subjects: 73 percent of the women whom she characterized as rape victims said that they hadn’t been raped. Further—though it is inconceivable that a raped woman would voluntarily have sex again with the fiend who attacked her—42 percent of Koss’s supposed victims had intercourse again with their alleged assailants.
All subsequent feminist rape studies have resulted in this discrepancy between the researchers’ conclusions and the subjects’ own views. A survey of sorority girls at the University of Virginia found that only 23 percent of the subjects whom the survey characterized as rape victims felt that they had been raped—a result that the university’s director of Sexual and Domestic Violence Services calls “discouraging.” Equally damning was a 2000 campus rape study conducted under the aegis of the Department of Justice. Sixty-five percent of what the feminist researchers called “completed rape” victims and three-quarters of “attempted rape” victims said that they did not think that their experiences were “serious enough to report.” The “victims” in the study, moreover, “generally did not state that their victimization resulted in physical or emotional injuries,” report the researchers.
More things that make you go, Hummm?
Inserting URL links into html anchor tags seems to have stopped working for me.
I'm not quite sure what's up with Blogger.com, but every time I try to insert a link for an html anchor, I get the error that "http://" is not allowed in anchor references.
However, if I remove that text, Blooger.com seems to pre-pend it's own "https://www.blooger.com/" to the URL.
Does anyone have a guess as to what's going on - the process used to work just fine for me? Using Firefox 3.5.2, and my Google Account, if either matters.
Also, using the "a href=" syntax.
slwerner,
Are you missing closing quotes, or closing the tag? Off the top of my head, it's the only thing I can think of.
Slwerner, since you brought up "campus rape myths", you should also look up the 1985 report on Campus Gang Rape by Bernice Sandler.
Unfortunately, the downside of women coming forward is the birth of false rape accusations, and the liars should be held accountable.
Sonja,
that's funny, I've only mentioned it one other time. But someone calling herself 'sonja' a couple months ago said on here that 'Newcombe' was her maiden name, and that sometimes she posts under that name. She was responding to a question and did not deny she had the blog. What do you expect me to think?
btw,
where is the link to the blog I have previosly seen under 'Sonja Newcombe'? (It is different from the other one)
Ya, Norm, that was me under my maiden name of Fitzgerald, not Newcombe.
Atom is a typical victim-feminist disciple spreading feminist disinformation with missionary zeal. She is a liar.
What's the percentage of unreported false rapes?
Eerie parallels to 16th century witchhunts. We don't know how many witches are out there, but we are sure they are there.
"What's the percentage of unreported false rapes?"
Nobody knows. We recently did a post here that explains how the entire field has become so politicized, all the assertions of underreporting are unreliable. We've also done several posts to show how even the sexual grievance's own numbers are a moving target -- ranging from claims that .004444 percent of all rapes ARE reported to 70 percent. If they can't even get their own stories straight, how on earth are we supposed to believe them?
Sonja, are you saying you post as 'sonja' when you consider yourself to be Sonja Fitzgerald?
If so then you are in fact the person with the blog I mentioned.
Also I notice you post on Sacks' board.
Yes, Norm, I'm "Sonja". Does it really matter what surname I use? I still have strong ties to my family, so my maiden name is still important to me.
Archivist, I'm feeling very much attacked for something only Norm has seen and refuses to prove.
How can there be an unreported false rape? Unless you're talking about women making up stories about men to ruin his reputation that never make it into a police report.
I can't 'prove' it right now because there is no more link to your blog under your profile. But you have never answered my question: have you ever posted as just 'sonja' (with the small 's')??
I'm still waiting for an answer.
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