Sunday, February 14, 2010

'Rape' cartoon stirs controversy, but most protesters missed the point about why it's objectionable


Last Wednesday, the Oklahoma Daily ran a peculiar cartoon (above) in which it is difficult to tell what's going on. But the cartoon raised a lot of controversy, because some readers automatically assumed it made light of rape. 

The paper's editor even had to write an apology, after explaining that the paper didn't interpret it as making light of rape:  "The cartoon was centered around the possibility of condoms being made available in the basement of the dorms on campus. It depicted a male walking into the laundry room of the dorms, a woman standing near a washer or dryer and condom machine. The next frame is a shot of the woman up close. The last scene is the laundry room door being locked. . . . . Schuyler Crabtree, the cartoonist, said he wanted the cartoon to be satirical and poke fun at the idea that easier access to condoms would lead to more sex in the dorms. . . . . I would like to assure all of you no one at The Daily, including myself, think rape or sexual violence should be taken lightly."

First, the rape interpretation seems a bit of a stretch.  But college cartoonists are notorious for sometimes coming up with stuff that is difficult to figure out the point.  It would be easy to rip the young cartoonist, but please consider that he's just a student doing this in whatever spare time he has, and he's probably not being paid.  I've seen big time cartoonists strike out, too.

Second, some see the cartoon as insulting to women because, they say, it makes light of rape.  But if it does make light of rape (I'll leave that for you to decide), I suggest that the cartoon accomplishes the seemingly impossible task of insulting two genders at once.  Women, because it makes light of male-female rape, but also men, because it suggests that men can't control their desire to have sex with shapely woman in secluded places where condoms are readily available.

Predictably, hardly any of the commentators thought this cartoon was objectionable because it presented a negative stereotype about males.  Just the opposite -- most of the comments that objected to it impliedly suggested that the stereotype of males-as-sexual predators who can't restrain themselves is all-too-true. And that, dear readers, tells us a lot of our "rape" culture, none of it good.

One comment, however, nailed it: "Not funny. IF this is not a rape fantasy, which it may be, it is a canned stereotype of an adolescent male sexual fantasy. This kind of 'Harold and Kumar' humor is unoriginal and offensive to men, who the cartoonist suggests think this way, and to women, who are depicted as nothing more than objects of sexual gratification. What is especially offensive is including reference to our school in this twisted power fantasy. Really, is this how we want to see ourselves? Does this cartoon reflect Sooner pride?"

Here are some of the comments that objected to the cartoon because, they assumed, it made light of rape:

"I don't get it, is this freshman about to rape the woman standing next to the condom machine after he locks the door but before she gives clear consent? That's not what the condom machines are supposed to be for."

"Rape is certainly NOT the proper use of a laundry room... nor any room for that matter, Mr. Crabtree."

". . . . This is offensive. On a college campus, where women have a higher chance of being raped, the last thing the OUDaily needs to be promoting is a flippant attitude toward this behavior. You have reduced a violent reality to a CARTOON."

"Whether the suggestion that women should be raped in laundry rooms was intentionally or not, I expect an immediate apology from Schuyler Crabtree."

I'd suggest that if Mr. Crabtree needs to apologize to anyone, it's to the members of his own sex.  Unwittingly, he's given the feminists another excuse (not that they need an excuse) to trot out the worst stereotypes about males.

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

How do you figure the protesters missed the point? As one protester put it so clearly, the cartoon is offensive because on college campuses, there's a higher chance of women being raped. She's a student and knows that rape is a violent reality at OU.

The cartoon is objectionable to the FRS because it stereotypes men on campus? Hey, if the shoe fits .......

Sooner Alum

Anonymous said...

I said it before on January 27 on this site and I'll say it again:

"Against the integrity and credibility of hapless individuals speaking the truth, we have a feminist propaganda machine that has subverted our legal system and never allows the public to cool off; never admits faults or wrongs; never concedes that there may be some good in men; never leaves room for alternatives; never accepts blame; and through believing that women never lie about rape, concentrates on one falsely accused person at a time and blames them for everything that goes wrong. As the feminists have discovered, like the fascists before them: people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if it is repeated often and frequently enough they will sooner or later believe it."

So the gender feminist powers-that-be render their verdict, and editors apologize, and clever-but-naïve cartoonists explain themselves and then are silenced.

On another topic, has anyone seen this film?:

After Innocence

http://www.mensmovieguide.com/AfterInnocence.htm

Anonymous said...

"As one protester put it so clearly, the cartoon is offensive because on college campuses, there's a higher chance of women being raped. She's a student and knows that rape is a violent reality at OU."

A "violent reality" for whom?

Have you actually bothered to research the rate of rapes on your campus or are you simply trusting the words of people like Susan Brownmiller, who have a vested interested in making you believe that rape is rampant?

Do you know that according to the feminist definition of rape,pretty much EVERYONE, male and female has been raped at least once?

Do you know that many of the women that feminists say were "raped" go on to continue having sex with their "rapist", completely unaware that any rape has occurred?

Does that sound like rape to you?

It sounds like a bunch of women with chips on their shoulders about men and heterosexual intercourse to me.

"Hey, if the shoe fits ......."

Yeah, I bet you'd say that about a black man who was arrested for a crime that he didn't commit simply because blacks have a higher rate of crime commission too, wouldn't you?

Or how about a lesbian arrested for domestic violence, being part of a group which has higher rates of partner violence than gay men and straight couples combined,she MUST have done it, right? Cause the "shoe fits"?

You are a sexist and you are contributing to an unhealthy stereotype which may,in fact, help to perpetuate rapes. I mean, if you are a rapist just for having a penis, where is the incentive to NOT victimize women?

Average American Male

Anonymous said...

A mouthful of very ambiguous generalizations.

Sooner Alum

Anonymous said...

Average American Male

I like you!


And I think GG is back...time to hit the delete button.

Anonymous said...

I don't need Brownmiller nor do I need your arrogance. I know what goes on here. This is not your campus, it's MINE.

Anonymous said...

Sooner Alum:

Read all of this blog and you'll find specifics. Dare ya!

Until then, you have no credibility. Zero. None.

Check your writing and thoughts for clarity, accuracy, precision, relevance, depth, breadth, significance, logic, and fairness.

When you can do that as we have done in many of the posts and comments here, then I'll read and seriously consider what you have to say.

Note that I expect to be held to that same measure.

--Poster @3:52 PM

Snark said...

"A mouthful of very ambiguous generalizations."

In other words, stereotypes.

Hey, if the shoe fits ......

Anonymous said...

"the cartoon is offensive because on college campuses, there's a higher chance of women being raped."

Even if that were true, there isn't anything about rape in that cartoon.

Anonymous said...

The gender feminist / Raunch culture that now enjoy cultural hedgemony on many U.S campusses, have lost their moral and ethical standards for leadership.
When this happens, their reign of hysteria power will soon wane.

Archivist said...

Sooner Alum:

Respectfully, you are out of your depth on these matters. Your argument is offensive to all rational people. Imagine a cartoon that unfairly stereotyped blacks as violent or lazy or in any other way. Imagine if someone responded, "Hey if the shoe fits . . . ."

You would do well to spend several weeks educating yourself about these issues by reading this site. Until then, your screeching misandric blather is grating to my ears.

Anonymous said...

Sooner Alum = Really Dumb

I hope Archivist has his finger on the delete button.

Anonymous said...

Did you know that the poster 'Sooner Alum' is a former member here who was banned and is a real False Rape Accuser who was never charged?

Anonymous said...

Sooner Alum is not Dumb.
Dumb is arguing with someone who is more informed about OU than you. BTW, false accusations are not my thing, most girls here who are raped keep a tight lid on who, what where when. It happens and when it happens, it's no surprise to anybody.

S Alum

Anonymous said...

"BTW, false accusations are not my thing, most girls here who are raped keep a tight lid on who, what where when."

What exactly do you mean by "raped"?


It's hard to tell because of the distorted definition of "rape" these days.

Are you saying that they got drunk and had sex with an equally drunk male and felt "violated" because of it when they discovered that he wasn't the captain of the football team the next day?

Are you saying they engaged in consensual group sex and later felt bad about it?

Or are you saying that someone grabbed them, beat the shit out of them, held them down and fucked them against their will while they screamed "NO" over and over?

Because only the last one is actually rape, and that is not something that's easy to hide.

I seriously doubt that many of the last variety of rapes have taken place clandestinely without the campus authorities being aware of it.

Rape is a woman being fucked against her will while she fights to stop it from taking place, not when a woman has sex that she later regrets.

Anonymous said...

Rape hysteria lynched alot of black males in Americas history, and the neo gender feminist Klan is taking over where the Klue Klux Klan left off.

Anonymous said...

"Dumb is arguing with someone who is more informed about OU than you."

No, dumb is believing "informed" idiots like you and smart is realizing academic feminists lie.

"BTW, false accusations are not my thing"....

Yeah I know, we all gathered that.

Anonymous said...

Scary:
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100213/NEWS010701/2140368/Hundreds+jailed+on+clerks++orders
--BB

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IGA8XaASnI

Anonymous said...

Off-topic:

Great Post by Mark Bennett --

http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/2010/02/lawyers-for-all.html

"The system now requires society to pay for due process only for those who are indigent. Those who are not indigent are forced to pay for their own due process (in the form of a lawyer). Those with plenty of money do fine, and the working poor get screwed. But they are all presumed innocent.

Why should the (presumptively) innocent, whether wealthy or working-poor, have to dig into their own pockets to defend against charges that are (presumptively) false?"

AfOR said...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8515592.stm


Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey
Rape victim in specialist clinic (posed by model)
The survey found there was some reluctance to report being raped

A majority of women believe some rape victims should take responsibility for what happened, a survey suggests.

Almost three-quarters of women said if a rape victim got into bed with the assailant before an attack they should accept some responsibility.

One-third blamed victims who had dressed provocatively or gone back to the attacker's house for a drink.

The survey of more than 1,000 people in London marked the 10th anniversary of the Haven service for rape victims.

More than half of those of both sexes questioned said there were some circumstances when a rape victim should accept responsibility for an attack.

etc

Snark said...

AfOR, I cannot thank you enough for the link to that article. I'm working on a piece right now that I'm going to try to get published at the Spearhead, and that article slots in perfectly.

AfOR said...

The attitudes expressed aren't new, or news, what interested me was the fact the BBc website actually published it...

quite telling...

Look forwards to reading the skit.

Anonymous said...

"most girls here who are raped keep a tight lid on who, what where when"

And why would they do that?

I find it difficult to believe that women would make a huge ruckus over a cartoon that does not even depict rape, but would not say a word after being actually raped.

SteveUK said...

I noticed that survey reported by the BBC, and I think one of the most injteresting things about it is this part:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8515592.stm
one in five adults had been in a situation where they were made to have sex when they did not want to. This had happened to more women (23%) than men (20%).

The online survey, titled Wake Up To Rape, polled 1,061 people aged 18 to 50, comprising 712 women and 349 men.


so even though only 350 men were questioned for the survey, they still had a 20% rate of being made to have sex when they didnt want it (women had a 23% rate of).

would that percentage of males who who made to have sex when they didnt want to have been higher if an equal number of men were questioned?

One thing this survey clearly shows is that significant numbers of women are rapists.

SteveUK said...

SteveUK said:

One thing this survey clearly shows is that significant numbers of women are rapists.


*by todays feminist definition of rape.

Anonymous said...

This reminds me of the Duke case, or any number of celebrity cases, where feminists use a non-rape to publish crap like this:

http://www.oudaily.com/news/2010/feb/15/our-view-lets-talk-about-rape/

Pierce Harlan said...

The comment I left under the OU article referenced at 9:43:

Rape is a serious problem, and every sane and rational person needs to acknowledge that irrefutable fact. Even one rape is one rape too many, and it is well to have a dialogue about it.

But there is a closely related serious problem that is hurting both innocent men and actual rape victims that has become too politically incorrect to discuss in some quarters. There needs to be a dialogue about it, too. We are witnessing a signficant rise in this country of false rape claims that destroy the lives of innocent young men, especially college age young men, and taint the credibility of every rape victim.

I founded the world's leading site that gives voice to persons falsely accused of rape, The False Rape Society, and I am familiar with every serious study ever conducted on the subject. Please know, for instance, that the standard claim that only two percent of all rape claims are false was long ago debunked by several objectively verifiable studies. Prof. KC Johnson, who was instrumental in exposing the Duke Lacrosse injustice, puts the number at anywhere from 9% to, more likely, closer to 50%. The nature of the claim makes certainty impossible.

But it is a serious problem, regardless of the actual number. Young men who never think it could happen to them find themselves arrested and jailed on nothing more than the allegation of a lone accuser -- even an allegation that turns out to be far-fetched. Rape lies have caused males to be killed and to kill themselves; to be incarcerated often longer than their false accusers are legally permitted to be imprisoned when their lies are finally brought to light; to lose their good names, their jobs, their businesses, their life's savings, their wives, and their girlfriends; to be beaten, to be chased, to be spat upon, and to be looked upon with suspicion long after they are cleared of wrongdoing. It is often impossible for the falsely accused to ever obtain good employment once the lie hits the news: for the rest of his life, a falsely accused man will have prospective employers Googling his name and finding the horrid accusation. Virtually every falsely accused male will be affected by his ordeal. Many develop emotional problems that will plague them for the rest oft their lives; most will not be able to trust women, for at least a time and sometimes forever.

By the way, every example in the previous paragraph is from an actual recent case reported on my website, False Rape Society.

We also hear from rape victims who firmly support our work. In case after case, judges and police officers bemoan the fact that with every rape lie, the integrity of a legitimate victim is hurt, and rape victims know that false accusers are their worst enemies.

Young men and women need to be better educated about rape, and specifically the law of consent. But they also need to be educated about the terrible destruction caused by rape lies, to both men and actual false rape victims.

Elusive Wapiti said...

Good response, Pierce, and may I say, nice plug :)

scott said...

Someone here made not that out of the last big media circus ??Rape cases?? from the Duke laccrosse, to the magician dude. 8 out of 8 of the cases were false Rape accussations.

Anonymous said...

@7:55----hey the solution is simple: Get her drunk before you have sex with her----- a license to rape

You believe Rape is not Rape unless it's stranger rape: "... grab them, beat the shit out of them, hold them down and fuck them against their will while they scream "NO" over and over?

Me thinks your address is the big house----not the bucket.

Anonymous said...

GG is back...or is it Jeana..

Anonymous said...

He doesn't need to apologize to anybody. We need to put an end to PC bullshit like the phony outrage over this.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I don't need Brownmiller nor do I need your arrogance. I know what goes on here. This is not your campus, it's MINE.

Feb 14, 2010 4:08:00 PM


So - ante up the info. Put your information on the table.

How do YOU know so many rapes are going on if as you say 'a tight lid' is kept on it?

As the self apointed spokeswoman for OU, surely you can provide some hard solid facts to back up your claims.

Anonymous said...

"You believe Rape is not Rape unless it's stranger rape: "... grab them, beat the shit out of them, hold them down and fuck them against their will while they scream "NO" over and over?"

I don't believe it's rape when a woman agrees to have sex with you and then decides she shouldn't have after her friends start calling her a slut. That is not rape.

Perhaps you believe that most men can predict the future and mind-read with such accuracy that they can have a reasonable idea how a specific woman will feel about a specific sexual encounter every moment for the rest of her life but science says it's impossible.


What is possible for a man to know,however, is if the woman said "yes" before the sex, and "yes" during sex, and at no point said "no",then that sexual encounter is NOT rape, regardless how the woman feels about it LATER.

So no, I don't believe in this "grey rape" bullshit.

If you believe in grey rape, then you must also believe that a man should be able to have a salesman charged with armed robbery after he decides he doesn't want the thing he purchased from the salesman later on.

Anonymous said...

First, friends don't call friends sluts.

Second, don't f*** girls you don't know.

Third, the seller/buyer comparison is BS. Women cannot renege when they are raped b/c they don't have that "3-day purchase cancellation clause" -------- Oh Wait! Maybe you 'really' believe they can 'take back the night'?

Anonymous said...

IF this is not a rape fantasy, which it may be, it is a canned stereotype of an adolescent male sexual fantasy.

I believe you'll find there are a lot more adolescent female sexual fantasies than male. Check out the vast array of 'bodice-ripper' novels and 'tell-all' magazines geared to the female readers. Most males are looking for a nymphomaniac, not an unwilling harpy.

Anonymous said...

[Most males are looking for a nymphomaniac]

You mean like sisters, daughters, and mothers. Why don't you buy a sheep farm.