Monday, February 15, 2010

Rape lie ruins young man's life, false accuser gets no jail time

A follow-up to this story.  This is a gravely unjust sentence for a young woman who destroyed a young man's life.  A police officer involved summed up the reality of false rape claims, which he called "life-changing," with three sentences that judges would do well to study:  "Rape is a heinous offence and perpetrators should be brought to justice with the full weight of the justice system.  However false allegations of rape are equally heinous. It is not only devastating to the victim but severely damages the credibility of women who are genuine victims of sex offences."

Woman who cried rape after sex in public toilet walks free from court

A 21-year-old woman who made a false accusation of rape in a bid to claim thousands of pounds in compensation escaped a jail term today.

Sarah-Jane Hilliard claimed Grant Bowers, 19, attacked her following a night out.

Just over a week after making the allegations in May last year, she contacted the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority, hoping to be awarded up to £7,500.

A jury found her guilty of perverting the course of justice and she was today given a 12-month jail sentence, suspended for two years.

Sentencing her at Basildon Crown Court in Essex, Judge Christopher Mitchell said: 'The fact is that false allegations of rape have a terrible knock-on effect.

'When women who have actually been raped make complaints there is always the background of people like you who have made false allegations and that's why it's considered so serious.'

During the trial, the jury heard how Hilliard told police she met Mr Bowers at Liquid nightclub in Basildon on July 26, 2008.

She claimed he shared a taxi with her and a friend, before stopping at Basildon railway station so she could visit the toilet.

Hilliard told police she locked herself in a cubicle door and that the next thing she remembered was waking up with her underwear and trousers around her ankles.

She told officers that Mr Bowers had sent her a text message the next day saying they had 'gone all the way', and it was then she realised she had been raped.

Mr Bowers was arrested two days later at his father's house and taken to a police station, where he was held for four hours in a cell before being interviewed by detectives for a further two hours. He had DNA swabs taken, as well as fingerprints and mug shots.

The student, from Basildon, had to wait a week before police told him he wouldn't be charged.

During the trial, prosecutor Andrew Jackson read extracts from Mr Bower's victim impact statement, which said the teenager sat crying in police custody fearing he was going to prison.

He told the court: 'This incident has changed him. He speaks of his lack of confidence approaching young women, not trusting them and having trouble sleeping.

'He was physically sick through worry, constantly teary and feeling like he wanted to cry.'

Giving evidence during the trial, Mr Bowers told the court how he had met Hilliard at a nightclub and they the walked to the railway station.

He said once they reached the station toilets, she dragged him into a cubicle and had sex with him. She told Mr Bowers he 'better be there for the baby' if she fell pregnant.

But police were unable to find CCTV of the pair in Liquid nightclub, as Hilliard had claimed. Her friend told police she had lied and that they had actually been in the nearby Colors club.

Detectives then trawled through CCTV from that nightspot and found footage of Hilliard and Mr Bowers kissing and holding hands before leaving.

As soon as they saw the footage, officers contacted Mr Bowers and told him he would not be charged and instead they arrested Hilliard for perverting the course of justice.

A charge of wasting police time was dropped after she was found guilty of the more serious crime.

Jacqueline Carey, mitigating for Hilliard, said her client had since been assaulted by two men on her way to work, suffering scratches, and had the word 'bitch' scratched onto her car.

Miss Carey said she had also suffered 'extremely unpleasant' comments on Facebook following her conviction last August, saying: 'One wished Miss Hilliard had been raped then she would understand what rape victims went through.'

Describing her client as 'hard working', she added that she had a number of 'deeply personal issues'.

'Since her conviction, her relationship with her partner has ceased and a number of friends, due to the publicity, are no longer friends with her.'

Hilliard, from Basilson, was sentenced to 300 hours of community service and ordered to pay £2,000 in costs.

Judge Mitchell acknowledged that Hilliard had problems: 'I have come to the conclusion that the doctor is right in saying you ought not to go to prison.'

But he warned: 'This case is no precedent at all for future cases of women who make up false allegations of rape.

'You alleged that you had been raped and as a consequence of that allegation, a young man was arrested, held in custody for four hours, interviewed and subsequently bailed.

'But for six or seven days thereafter he had the concern, the worry, the fear that he was going to be charged with rape when he knew perfectly well that you had consented to the intercourse and that you, on his account, had frankly initiated it.'

Speaking outside court, Mr Bowers said he had been subjected to verbal abuse and had his house attacked as a result of the fake claims.

He said: 'The last 11 months have been horrendous. I've lost all my self-confidence and I can't speak to women any more.

'I don't know why she did it but her lies have ruined my life.'

His father, Tony Bowers, said he was 'dumbfounded' by the sentence and that his son had had to move out of Basildon.

He said: 'I'm disappointed because my son was facing up to ten years in prison for rape on the strength of her lies.

'She has been found guilty of making false allegations and the least I expected was for her to have been given a prison sentence.

'My son has lost his freedom as a result of this. He cannot come and visit his parents unless it's under the cover of darkness, he's lost his flat and we cannot even know where he is living for his own protection.

'He is the victim and he has lost his freedom yet she has still got hers.

'I think she's a very sad girl who needs help. She could have got the professional help she so desperately needs during a stretch behind bars.'

Detective Sergeant Steve Simmons from British Transport Police said: 'It is such a nasty, life-changing allegation against a young man.

'Rape is a heinous offence and perpetrators should be brought to justice with the full weight of the justice system.

'However false allegations of rape are equally heinous. It is not only devastating to the victim but severely damages the credibility of women who are genuine victims of sex offences.'

Link:: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1251201/Young-woman-cried-rape-sex-public-toilet-escapes-jail.html#ixzz0fchH7Vvd

51 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey if they proved in court that he is not guilty of the crime,but then people don't know this and still treat him as a rapist,even at work and other places.Then why can't the goverment give him a badge or something that proves that he is innocent,which can't be faked and can be fully checked if the badge device is legal so he can show to people to make them shut up and allow him to work at all places.Would certainly help false rape victims.

Archivist said...

I don't think any amount of "he's innocent, he's innocent, he's innocent" from the government will do it. The system is what alllowed him to be destroyed in the first place, so people don't have faith in it.

I think the only thing that could help people like this young man is to have every male in the UK and America falsely accused of rape. Then, maybe then, it will become apparent that we shouldn't rush to judgment and assume an allegation means guilt.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to America run by the Gender / Raunch culture.
The state will have no other choice but to take over the economy, for the gender / Raunch culture are raising helpless, obese, and un-educated children who simply cannot carry the flag of liberty.
This would be silly, if it were not so truthfull!!

scott said...

There are still many who believe i raped this little lying pig, because the police refused to charge her with filing a false report.

scott said...

FALSE RAPE ACCUSSATIONS GET BOYS BEATEN TO DEATH IN THEIR SLEEP WITH BASEBALL BATS. IS AMERICA SO PERVERTED THAT IT NO LONGER UNDERSTANDS WHAT JUSTICE IS ANYMORE??

Anonymous said...

@Archivist:
It's ironic that people have faith and will believe the system when it says "he's guilty" when accused and convicted by the system but not when they pronounce "he's innocent." And then we have a few prosecutors out there that want to keep innocent people in jail after DNA test prove their innocence. Doctors bury their mistakes; prosecutors imprison their mistakes and try to keep them there -- and then sometimes get to bury them, too.

I think you're right that it will take many more false accusations until people realize that we shouldn't rush to judgment or assume guilt based on an allegation, but as a falsely accused, I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. If I could sacrifice my life knowing that no other males would ever have to go through being falsely accused ever again, I'd do it right now.

For those new to this blog or may have missed it, there are news people who have had to live through false accusations and had their minds changed about rushing to judgment:

Tucker Carlson

http://dir.salon.com/story/books/feature/2003/09/13/carlson_excerpt/index.html

It's a good read, for those who haven't already, and he would be another person I would add to the "should be contacted by the FRS" list. I think he could get us some much needed media attention.

I wonder how Tucker Carlson feels about being falsely accused nearly ten years later, and if he feels that it has impacted his career.

Archivist said...

"It's ironic that people have faith and will believe the system when it says 'he's guilty' when accused and convicted by the system but not when they pronounce 'he's innocent.'"

Excellent point.

"And then we have a few prosecutors out there that want to keep innocent people in jail after DNA test prove their innocence. Doctors bury their mistakes; prosecutors imprison their mistakes and try to keep them there -- and then sometimes get to bury them, too."

Brilliant. Brilliant.

Axel said...

Archivist, what struck me hardest was the thought of this young man, in the prime of his masculinity, sitting in police custody crying out of fear.

I can't imagine anything much worse than this. I'd gladly take being raped over that sort of fear. Gladly. Any day of the week.

I wish every woman who has a son, every woman who has a boyfriend, or a husband or a father, would read the part about this young man being reduced to tears because of unspeakable fear that he was about to go to the hell of prison for something he didn't do.

It's about time you all realized we're human beings.

Archivist said...

That's what got to me, too, Axel. So many of these cases -- perhaps most -- involve men who are barely more than boys. Sorry, in this day and age, a 19-year-old young man is as much boy as man. Hell, people live longer than ever, take longer to "find" themselves, and women mature faster anyway. So, I felt especially bad for this teen.

One day soon, I am going to do a piece on how to react when you've been falsely accused. There are some common mistakes young men make. Chief among them is the hesitation that, gee, maybe I DID do something wrong. First rule, never assume you did something wrong just because they say you did. They are looking for cracks in your story and in your resolve. If you've been falsely accused, you need to give the performance of a lifetime -- emphatic answers, nothing but the truth. But of course, don't say anything without a lawyer.

Anonymous said...

Look at the comments under the main story. Pretty much everyone agrees with us.

Anonymous said...

Is it just me or is this stuff the most infuriating stuff you can possibly read about.

The injustice is so sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously this woman deserves to be in prison for a long time.

It's as if men have no rights at all.

Pierce Harlan said...

Anon at 2:01: the only thing that keeps me going in this work is that it infuriates me. This one was awful, and there are many, many like it, or worse.

Anonymous said...

Pierce

I know I'm a long time fan of this site but it still just sickens me that women get away with this.

I am VERY appreciative that you have put this site together it is VERY needed!


I have got to know false accusers in my own life...not of rape but of other things...and to me they are some of the lowest scum in this world.

So to see someone go and file a false rape claim and seriously hurt some guy and walk free is so upsetting.

Anonymous said...

"Then why can't the goverment give him a badge or something that proves that he is innocent"

Because people want to believe otherwise, and will not let mere truth get in the way of their desire.

Look at what happened in the 80's on college campuses. After one single horribly-biased survey a cat could see through, almost overnight, university administrations, typically run by people with PhD's from the best schools in the country, suddenly and unquestioningly believed, in spite of all other evidence, that one in four women were victims of rape.

Apparently, no one was able to notice this during the previous 5,000 years of written history.

Michael Ejercito said...


It's as if men have no rights at all.

What about vigilante justice?

anyone who would use the system to victimize someone should be subject to vigilante justice.

AfOR said...

@ Axel

"I can't imagine anything much worse than this. I'd gladly take being raped over that sort of fear. Gladly. Any day of the week."

I am not a boy, I am a man, a well experienced man, I used to walk into ghettoes for fun, and because the beer was cheaper.

My story is still ongoing, (but Pierce has all the details) so I can't talk openly about it yet.

I will tell you for a fact, sitting in the cell after arrest if you had handed me a gun I would have shot myself, not out of fear, out of seppuku, for the shame of being arrested for such a crime.

I will tell you another fact, I'd rather be raped and buggered by a football team than go through the police "interview"***

I will tell you another fact, in the cell I was unable to read the graffiti scratched into the cell door and walls, even six letter words, my head wouldn't stay together long enough, and with this comes a total and utter loss of all sense of time, a minute, an hour, a month, all lose all meaning.

I will tell you another fact, within a few minutes of the interrogation starting, you realise that nobody gives a fuck what the truth is, you could be a rapist, or a falsely accused, nobody gives a fuck, all anyone gives a fuck about is making a case against you. Read this paragraph aloud ten more times, it is the most important thing I can tell you... I am sure genuine rape victims who see their rapist walk will agree with me.

I will tell you another fact, Pierce / Archivist, Grade A stand up folks doing a great job here, but they haven't walked in the shoes of the falsely accused... reminds me of an old biker tee shirt...

"As you are now, I once was.
As I am now (pray) you will never be."

I will tell you another fact, men wonder what they will do in adverse situations, when the bullets start flying will I run?

Some men get unlucky and then lucky, and find the answers
http://francisanderson.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/1000_yard_stare_iraq.jpg

been there, done that, being maliciously and falsely accused of rape is worse, much, much, much worse, especially when it is those you thought closest to you who do it.

I thought I knew what "Machiavellian" meant, I didn't, I do now.

I'll tell you another fact, like that 1000 yard stare stuff, you put me and scott (just picking him as an example cos he says what he is on this site) in the same room and I don't care if we have nothing else in common, you'll see us recognise each other.


***
They call it an "Interview", it isn't, applying for a job slinging burgers is an interview, what the police do is an interrogation, just add waterboarding for gitmo.

Anonymous said...

From a previous thread:

"A part of this "Missinformation Alliance" is when men get arrested for domestic violence, when it is in fact the women who was the aggressor...So in effect, the law enforcement are in fact colluding with other gender feminist pork agencies to get all the federal VAWA dollars they can."

There is no collusion in that example as the police are merely obeying the law, as the VAWA requires states

"(1) To implement mandatory arrest or pro-arrest programs and policies in police departments, including mandatory arrest programs and policies for protection order violations (Part U, SEC. 2101)."

in order to receive federal funding. So it is due to "gender feminist pork", but the police have no more say in the matter than any other citizen who could vote.

http://family.findlaw.com/domestic-violence/federal-domestic-violence-legislation.html

AfOR said...

@ anon at 3:04

Sorry, but I call bullshit.

Police enforce what laws they choose, when they choose, how they choose.

Just today a man was telling me a story about a friend of his who does car sales.

CCTV of the lot shows a compact car, out of control, skidding into the lot at very high speed.

Compact car totals 3 of the cars on display and damages 2 others, totaled were an E class merc, an S class merc and a Lexus.

Two guys crawl out of compact and stagger off.

45 minutes later CCTV shows a hire car turn up, clearly showing hire company and registration plate, two guys get out, limping, and start picking up stuff from the scene, load it into hire car, and bugger off.

police are called, and say they can do nothing.

guy says fine, and tell them he will contact the press and get them to ask what the fuck he is paying the police for

10:30 that night there is a knock on the guys door, senior cop in uniform, basically advising him very forcefully that he will regret it if he does contact the press.

guy says "fuck it" and sticks with an insurance claim.

Only good one is a dead one.

Archivist said...

Most police feel at least some pressure to take rape claims seriously, which sometimes gets misinterpreted to mean "get tough on the presumed innocent." Thank goodness for The Innocence Project, which shines a light on harsh practices to exact confessions.

And I think a lot of this talk by cops saying "false accusations hurt real rape victims" stems from a sort of police frustration: "Hey, you want me to take rape claims seriously? Look what I have to put up with! See this?"

AfOR said...

I agree with the above re police attitudes.

For the record, I *do* believe that false accusations have a negative impact on genuine rape victims, but I don't believe that the police believe that, I don't think the police give a shit one way or another, it is just a job, and as long as they can get a conviction to put on their records then that is enough to satisfy them.

================

A generation or two ago a *significant* proportion of the police force were ex-services, a generation before that they were old enough to have served in WW2.

nowadays the only ex servicemen I see in the police are doing the "I don't give a fuck" cushy wait-for-my-pension jobs like custody sergeants etc.

the rest of them look like they couldn't get into college because the art and equine aromatherapy courses were full, and slinging burgers seemed like hard work.

that and the few power freaks of course.

wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire

scott said...

The little pig that falselly accussed me of raping her also got a chunk of ???victim funds??? that she never had to pay back. She never had to pay it back because the perverts down at the police station have been ???trained??? to "re-define what the meaning of is, is," in order to leave no trail of false rape accussations.
It's not the average beat cop that perverts justice, It's the higher ups that are perverting the law to enable these sick little pigs to collect money on their false rape accussations.

Anonymous said...

Yep AfOR, even though I am the spouse, if I had had a gun I would have ended it. The fear this has instilled in me will never go away. I fear everything and everyone. I trust no one.

In fact, after 8 months I think I would still put a gun to my head if I had one. It does not get easier.

CBGirl

Anonymous said...

I was stolling through the park one day....

In the merry, merry month of May....

I was taken by surprise....

By a false accuser's lies....

In a flash my liberty was stole away....

***********************************

The moral of the story:

These days, always wear a video camera, don't leave home without it!

gwallan said...

OT but necessary...

Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

The study found that women were less forgiving of the victim than men.

...

The survey also found more than one in 10 people were unsure whether they would report being raped to the police**, and 2% said they would definitely not do so.

Nearly nine in ten would report??

And one in five adults had been in a situation where they were made to have sex when they did not want to. This had happened to more women (23%) than men (20%).

Well marginally more anyway.

Anonymous said...

Judges have too much power.

What this guy did by letting her off is despicable.

Archivist said...

Gwallan, I have not commented on that story yet, but what I find absurd is the shock over this finding: almost three quarters of the women surveyed who believed the victim sometimes should take responsibility said that if a victim got into bed with the assailant before an attack, they should accept some responsibility.

Now. What is this really saying? Here's what I think is going on here. The survey is trying to have people say something they really don't want to say. What the people who responded to the survey mean is this: if a woman gets in bed with a guy, then he's going to understand she wants sex. See, it's the same kind of affirmative assent as a woman saying "sure, let's do it." How can I make such an incredible leap? Because young adults of the opposite sex who get into bed with each other have sex. I know how incredible and wrong and oppressive that might sound to a hardened feminist who has no sexual attraction to men, but it is what the vast majority of young people have done since the beginning of time. But how dare the people taking the survey assume to know anything about gender relations without ever having taken a Womyn's Studies class!

You see, the people responding are simply using their common sense -- something mainstream feminism just doesn't have -- and they are declaring that these "victims" really aren't victims at all, even though that's obviously what the survey calls them.

Snark said...

Attitudes towards rape are hardening because of the categorical dissolution of rape. It's the counter-effect of rape hysteria. Define practically everything as rape and ordinary people will resist the calls to take it so seriously. Practically everything being an egregious violation simply does not match up with people's experiences.

Anonymous said...

Men are always opposed to false rape accusations -- when they're made against themselves or their friends! But the rest of the time they're 100% on the side of the nifongs.

Anonymous said...

As for this liar, she needs to do at least as much time as he would have gotten upon conviction, if not more. It is time to quit playing around with these whores.

Anonymous said...

"Police enforce what laws they choose, when they choose, how they choose."

Police generally do, and should, have some discretion. However, in the U.S., due to changes in the law, when it comes to violence against women their hands are pretty much tied.

"And I think a lot of this talk by cops saying "false accusations hurt real rape victims" stems from a sort of police frustration: "Hey, you want me to take rape claims seriously? Look what I have to put up with! See this?""

And at the same time, no matter what they do, feminists will accuse them of ignoring victims.

I love how feminists tell women the police won't listen to them, while complaining how rape is unreported.

randian said...

Nearly nine in ten would report??

That would make rape a very well reported crime. Rather makes the "most rapes aren't reported" bit seem like the BS it is.

And one in five adults had been in a situation where they were made to have sex when they did not want to.

What was the actual survey question? While the author clearly intends us to infer that "made to have sex" equals "forcibly raped", I am certain that the respondents understood the question to mean "had sex when I didn't want to, out of duty or guilt".

Pierce Harlan said...

Excellent insight, Randian.

Anonymous said...

Archivist: Now I would have thought that 100% of the females in that questionaire, if they had any common sense and experience,would have known that getting into bed with a man was the same as consenting to sex. Why else would a woman get into bed with a man?
BTW, don't believe that that questionaire went unnoticed by the old feminists or that they didn't try to rebut it even if they had to dig up some old crone from 40 years ago to tell her "story" If you read the story carefully you can easily see that the purpose was to debunk the recent questionaire.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1251364/JENNI-MURRAY-I-drunk-wearing-short-skirt-agreed-to-house-Does-REALLY-mean-I-deserved-raped.html

Anonymous said...

how to prevent other innocent boys from this horrible thing?Especially in india where law favours women...
i there any way to come out?

Anonymous said...

So it is due to "gender feminist pork", but the police have no more say in the matter than any other citizen who could vote.

The old 'only following orders' defense.

Didn't stand up in Nuremberg, didn't help any of Milosevic's cronies, and one day in the not too far distant future, when this nightmare is a memory, it won't help a lot of today's police.

Most of them probably think they're immune to the future. I'll bet most of those Catholic priests who molested boys behind closed doors decades ago thought they were immune too.

What they forget is that those who would defend them retire, grow old and die. The new generation that takes their place has different ideas, and no sense of loyalty to old hands who are fast becoming liabilities. Former victims finally get some air-time in a rapidly changing world. Other victims start saying 'that happened to me too'.

And suddenly, with the old obstructions no longer in the way, names are named, inquiries are called for, arrests are made.

But I needn't go on. Any of today's police know the procedure well enough.

Anonymous said...

What I find amazing is that men have rarely taken vengeance on false rape accusers or females who have accused them of DV or abusing their own kids during divorces. Or on the judges or police that have ruined their lives to the point that they commit suicide. Apparently men really are the more peaceful and non violent sex and may only react when their life is in danger at the moment. An old soldier who was in WWII once told me that the army had done some studies on combat and found some very odd things. A lot of soldiers would actually fire over the heads of the enemy as is they were afraid of killing them or if they were running and charging a hill or something that 1/2 wouldn't even fire their weapons. It seems that a lot of soldiers will only kill in the heat of the moment out of fear of being killed.Yes, I know they trained them to be more efficient killers but it wasn't something that came natural to them. This is probably why we don't see judges, cops and false accusers killed by a man who has his life ruined.
And to the previous poster: you're right about the new generation looking at the past.As these old feminists (communists really) die out or fade away they'll be looked at like an old fossil we study from a million years ago. The past 20 years will be viewed as some sort of plague that effected people's brains and reason. Things are already changing and I predict that they will snowball very fast. Females are now getting prison sentences for false allegations, something that wasn't true even a couple of years ago. DNA has freed hundreds of men. There are hundreds of anto misandrist web site on the Net and a large group of men who have been persecuted over the past generation who are now radicalised.

Anonymous said...

Whats the solution for this false act?Which law saves men from this misery?When a girl bluntly blames a boy that she has been misused by the guy.,Whats the position of the boy?How can he save himself from all the legal activities?

Anonymous said...

What I find amazing is that men have rarely taken vengeance on false rape accusers or females who have accused them of DV or abusing their own kids during divorces.
That may change soon.

Men were perfectly willing to burn and kill in outrage over a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed. what would those men do if falsely accused of rape?

Michael Ejercito said...

What I find amazing is that men have rarely taken vengeance on false rape accusers or females who have accused them of DV or abusing their own kids during divorces.
That may change soon.

Men were perfectly willing to burn and kill in outrage over a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed. what would those men do if falsely accused of rape?

Anonymous said...

Those men were not brought up in a pussy whipped culture. Even in the Law in the west there used to be something called "fighting words" where if someone said something that was grossly offensive to your character (like you were fucking your daughter or were a rapist etc) You could give them a good beating and either get off entirely or where the punishment was greatly mitigated. Aaron Burr killed Hamilton in a duel for a nasty remark he made made about Burr and his daughter. The history books never seem to mention what the duel was about but that was the reason.

Anonymous said...

"The old 'only following orders' defense."

That is cute. Regardless, the point remains is that there is no "alliance" conspiracy. Which is not the same as agreeing with the law, but merely recognizing the actual cause of the problem. While any people believe that marijuana, gambling, prostitution, or other things should be legal, it's childish to blame the police for enforcing those laws where those things are illegal. It doesn't make the law right, but the police don't make the law.

Pierce Harlan said...

". . . it's childish to blame the police for enforcing those laws where those things are illegal."

In the false rape world, police generally are the best protection innocent men have because they weed out most false rape claims before they get out of hand. The vast majority of false rape claims are disposed of without anyone on the outside ever learning about them -- often by lecturing the accuser and making clear that lying about rape is a serious matter, etc.

But Police are under pressure to take rape claims "seriously," and some misintrep that to mean treating the presumed innocent as if they were criminals. This is not to fault law enforcement as a whole, but clearly some cops are far better than others at dealing with these claims.

Anonymous said...

"This is not to fault law enforcement as a whole, but clearly some cops are far better than others at dealing with these claims."

This is true. Just like any other profession, including judges and lawyers, some are better than others.

Anonymous said...

"...it's childish to blame the police for enforcing those laws where those things are illegal."

All police officers have discretion about how they personally conduct themselves in alleged rape situations. The Hofstra survivors gave us a good idea that some of the police who handled them assumed they were guilty, and allowed that assumption to affect their behavior.

The average police officer sees all kinds of offender and crime every day. It's not his or her job to decide guilt and deal out justice - yet some find the energy to do just that. Perhaps you think they're justified. I think it shows a special kind of personality that will mistreat innocent people in their custody. I would prefer to think most police officers do their jobs in accordance with a good conscience, but there will always be some who take advantage of their power over others to indulge themselves in perverse pleasures.

From personal experience, I know of one such individual and have heard him boast of the part he took in the beatings of prisoners in police cells. I've subsequently seen him become embroiled in other situations that entered the public domain and severely damaged the local police reputation. Although acquitted in public, he had so compromised himself that he soon left the force. It is individuals like this, and the sheltering they enjoy from other police officers that is criminal. Every man accused of rape runs the very real danger of being exposed to someone like this wearing a uniform.

Not every Nazi was tried in Nuremberg either. It's the ones who demonstrated a certain relish for the anti-social that will inevitably be exposed.

Current practice regarding rape arrest and handling of detainees seems to be producing a large pool of victims all telling the same story, and this pool appears to be growing daily. What this will eventually lead to is obvious.

Anonymous said...

"The Hofstra survivors gave us a good idea that some of the police who handled them assumed they were guilty, and allowed that assumption to affect their behavior."

If you look at the media coverage, blog comments, etc., like most alleged rapes, most people assumed they were guilty. People who are police are not immune to the same psychological motives. However, there wasn't any conspiracy to hide the truth, or they would have destroyed the video.

"but there will always be some who take advantage of their power over others to indulge themselves in perverse pleasures."

That is true, but a minority of individual malefactors is not a "Missinformation Alliance".

Anonymous said...

"If you look at the media coverage, blog comments, etc., like most alleged rapes, most people assumed they were guilty. People who are police are not immune to the same psychological motives."

Police who handle prisoners, especially jailers, have a duty to be indifferent towards the guilt or innocence or their wards. Their job is to hold them in custody, and to do it professionally. Determination of guilt and appropriate punishment are the job of others.

The rest of us are free to make whatever conjecture we like on blogs and to yell our particular biases from the sidelines - from a legal perspective, it is simply irrelevant noise. But police and jailers who use their positions to abuse suspects are also abusing the trust put in them and using their power to further their own undisciplined attitudes. They are engaging in corruption.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 8:14:00 AM:

You wrote-However, there wasn't any conspiracy to hide the truth, or they would have destroyed the video.

That's because they didn't have the video. The boy who took it gave it to their lawyer and I'm sure that copies were made before he showed it to the DA just in case it got "lost"

Anonymous said...

"But police and jailers who use their positions to abuse suspects are also abusing the trust put in them and using their power to further their own undisciplined attitudes. They are engaging in corruption."

Again, a few bad apples does not constitute a conspiracy, or collusion with feminists, or even that their individual motives are in any way political.

Rash said...

"What about vigilante justice?

anyone who would use the system to victimize someone should be subject to vigilante justice."

It looks like some of that has occurred:
"Jacqueline Carey, mitigating for Hilliard, said her client had since been assaulted by two men on her way to work, suffering scratches, and had the word 'bitch' scratched onto her car.

Miss Carey said she had also suffered 'extremely unpleasant' comments on Facebook following her conviction last August, saying: 'One wished Miss Hilliard had been raped then she would understand what rape victims went through.'

'Since her conviction, her relationship with her partner has ceased and a number of friends, due to the publicity, are no longer friends with her.'"

I also thought I'd mention that other articles said that the false accuser is bisexual.

Anyway, the way to end false rape and sexual assault allegations is to repeal the laws that they relate to. The effects of rape and sexual assault are probably no worse than other forms of abuse and certainly don't merit the hysteria surrounding them. It is also just men who are usually accused and convicted of these things even though women carry them out too.

Anonymous said...

"The effects of rape and sexual assault are probably no worse than other forms of abuse and certainly don't merit the hysteria surrounding them."

The power of rape as an instrument to advance women's interests rests on separation of it from any other crime.

The feminist knows how very effective it is for people to immediately assume an emotional position with respect to rape, thereby bypassing all reasoning and further discussion. The technique is simple enough - all it relies on is the tendency for most people to imitate the behavior of those around them. To elevate rape into this 'crime like no other' position, all that's required is to produce an hysterical and intensely emotional response whenever the subject is raised. This instills in all who witness it an association between rape and extreme horror.

For my money, I'd rather be raped than have my brain damaged by a baseball-bat beating, yet the latter outcome would not trigger the kind of response that a rape does - simply because none of us has ever been subjected to a assault-causing-brain-damage/hysterical-emotionally-intense-reaction association.

Yet head injury assaults are common enough, and people's lives are severely affected by them - not just the victim either, but those who must look after them.

And so we casually accept truly horrendous assaults, but state governments hand out large sums for rape centers, compensation for rape victims and suspends usual evidentiary standards to convict alleged offenders - even if the alleged rape turns out to have never occurred.

Michael Ejercito said...

The effects of rape and sexual assault are probably no worse than other forms of abuse and certainly don't merit the hysteria surrounding them.
On the contrary, the psychological and emotional trauma caused by rape has been documented since antiquity.