Thursday, December 9, 2010

Feminist: How dare writers who don't know the facts insist Assange is innocent! (Never mind when the same people assume a presumptively innocent man is guilty)

Ever notice that every feminist has had life experiences that have somehow completely eluded you and me?  For example, every feminist knows multiple women who've been raped -- raped, I tell you -- none of the victims reported it due to fears of . . . just make up something and I promise you it was one of the things they supposedly feared. And, no, I'm not ridiculing actual rape victims, I'm ridiculing feminists who expect us to buy that horse manure.

And, of course, every feminist is an authority on false rape claims.  For example, they often feel perfectly justified popping onto this blog to "educate" us, in a most self-righteous and sarcastic manner, about a subject we follow intensely and they don't.  We, of course, are biased and unworthy of belief, simply by virtue of the fact that we have the audacity to speak for a group of citizens normally treated as flotsam.

Well, they are coming out of the woodwork with hand-wringing and solemn pronouncements about the Assange rape claims.  One writer said this: "The next phase of the Wikileaks coverage has already begun. The fact that there is no public evidence one way or another about the rape case has led into a tiresome, pedestrian argument over the usual sexual battlegrounds. Soon, commentators will start on the prevalence of false rape accusations, and the feminist slant that is inherent in sexual assault charges. Stay tuned for a discussion on men’s rights, the inevitable backlash that ensues, and the inevitable backlash to the backlash, until Julian Assange sneaks away while we’re all yelling at each other." See here.

The Assange case is an aberration, a blip, an anomaly. A lot of the people who normally would gladly assume a man's guilt based on nothing more than a naked allegation by a woman happen to support this particular man's anti-U.S. politics, so in this rare instance, some of those people are supporting the accused.  Support for Assange has prompted a feminist backlash.

Comments by feminist Kate Harding, writing in Salon deserve special mention:

As of today, even Naomi Wolf -- Naomi Effin' Wolf! -- has taken a public swipe at Assange's accusers, using her status as a "longtime feminist" to underscore the absurdity of "the alleged victims ... using feminist-inspired rhetoric and law to assuage what appears to be personal injured feelings."

Wow. Admittedly, I don't have as much experience being a feminist as Wolf has, but when I see a swarm of people with exactly zero direct access to the facts of a rape case loudly insisting that the accusation has no merit, I usually start to wonder about their credibility. And their sources.

Tell us, Ms. Harding, how do you react when you see a swarm of people with exactly zero direct access to the facts about an alleged rape case -- a he said/she said case where the only evidence is her say so -- loudly insisting that the accusation has merit? 

How do you react then?  Does that bother you? Even a little?

Because that's what we almost always hear. That's how the news media and the feminist blogosphere treats virtually every allegation of rape, even the ones supported by no evidence beyond her say-so in a "he said/she said" dispute; even the many that turn out to be false. 

Tell me, girlfriend, do you "usually start to wonder about their credibility" in that case?

Somehow, I doubt it. Somehow I suspect you have precisely zero inclination to pound out an angry, sarcastic Internet piece about the innumerable rushes to judgment that crucify innocent men and boys with false rape allegations.

Can you say "Hofstra"? 

Funny, girlfriend, you've written a ton on that horrid Roman Polanski. How did you feel about Hofstra?

Doesn't interest you, does it?

Harding is a writer who uses the word "dude" a lot.  It's her shorthand put-down of all things male. And by the way, she believes that rape is rampant on college campuses.  See here.

Does that kind of make you doubt Kate Harding's credibility?  And her sources?

See, I get some very, very, angry and sarcastic emails and comments from people chastising me for attacking feminism.

The fact is, I do not attack feminism. I quote it.  That's all I need to do.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nice that feminists insist we don't know the facts when people are insisting the man must be innocent. I'd like to see a fraction of that effort spent when people are insisting the man must be guilty.

Anonymous said...

This is becoming a circus.

Anonymous said...

"As of today, even Naomi Wolf -- Naomi Effin' Wolf! -- has taken a public swipe at Assange's accusers, using her status as a "longtime feminist" to underscore the absurdity of "the alleged victims ... using feminist-inspired rhetoric and law to assuage what appears to be personal injured feelings."

I guess even feminists can be reasonable when their anti-american,anti-capitalist goals are being met.

The dude's on trial for allegedly not using a condom.That's what they're calling rape in Sweden these days. It IS a case of hurt feelings. In Rwanda women are being rounded up by the truckload and gangraped all the time. A missing condom,compared to that, looks absurd in the category of "rape".

See if you can spot the thing that doesn't belong in this group:

RAPE

A woman is held down and forcibly penetrated with a cigar as she screams "stop".

A man agrees to use a condom when having consensual sex with a woman, but doesn't.

A man is cornered in the prison shower by a large felon named Bubba and repeatedly sodomized against his will while he weeps and cries for help and "Bubba" is whispering "Oh Nancy,Oh Nancy" in his ear.

A woman is forced at gun point to perform oral sex on a group of guerilla soldiers.

One of these things looks pretty weird in this group,doesn't it?

Archivist said...

Just another double standard in a cavalcade of double standards. To these people, gender equity means "support anything that helps a woman."

Anonymous said...

For whatever reason, Assange was not arrested for the leaks, but he was arrested for a "sex offense"...SPECIFICALL Y: in Sweden, it is a SEXUAL ASSAULT by a man over a woman to have sex without a condom.

One accuser claims he did not use a condom, the other claims the condom he used broke.

Ba-de-ba-de-ba-de that's all folks.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the 'sex offense' it appears much as I thought initially, an effort to discredit the individual, using one of the oldest and most effective means possible, quite similar to early English efforts to establish someone as a 'catamite' by getting them drunk and putting a young boy in the bedroom, to be 'discovered' by his opponents.

This couples neatly with the effort to remove all means of funding a defense, including the seizure of funds through paypal, the actions by Visa and Mastercard, and various financial institutions. He appears to be being railroaded, and I would not be surprised if he either 'disappears' while escaping and is never heard from again, or is killed while trying to escape.

Anonymous said...

It amazes me than any man still even lives in sweden.

What a hell hole.

deedee said...

there is the liberal position which does not perceive women as the same as men, although this frivolous complaint has often been raised against it. nor, for that matter, does it hold that women are the same as each other, another facile allegation.

Anonymous said...

Women never lie about rape. Unless they are accusing an important Liberal, like Julian Assange or Al Gore. Then they are bunch of crazy lying whores.

Regardless, Naomi Wolf is still a fruitcake. Ever read The Beauty Myth? Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

Archivist said...

You want to know about Sweden? Take a look:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_200004/ai_n8889753/

Anonymous said...

Duke lacrosse rape media circus, turned out to be a false rape accusation.
The girl that scratched a B in her face during the Barack obama presidential campaign, and said 3 black men did this to her,..turns out she did it to herself. Another false accusation.
The Hofstra media Rape frenzy, turns out she was lying.
The false rape accusations just keep going on, and on, and on, and on. I believe someone here said that out of the last 9 big media frenzied Rape hysteria media circuses...9 of the supposed rapes were in "real life"..False Rape Accusations. Folks this is a full blown "culture of false rape accusations".

Anonymous said...

Keeping "Rape hysteria" at the heightened pitch that it is currently at "Empowers" the Gender feminist community.
Just like the Klu-Klux-Klan "Empowered" themselves with fiery, inflammatory rhetoric that women were being raped all over the place by Black men.

Archivist said...

Try this -- the Swedish "ban urinal" movement:


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/
mi_qa3724/is_200004/ai_n8889753/

Archivist said...

"Women never lie about rape. Unless they are accusing an important Liberal, like Julian Assange or Al Gore. Then they are bunch of crazy lying whores.

"Regardless, Naomi Wolf is still a fruitcake. Ever read The Beauty Myth? Even a broken clock can be right twice a day."

FRS: Great comment. I wish you'd adopt a moniker so I could watch out for your comments.

Anonymous said...

Neo Gender / Raunch feminists "Empower" themselves, not by the extolling the virtues of their characters, or any lofty characteristics of being "Gender / Raunch"; they "Empower" themselves by attacking heterosexual males.
Equality feminism has been subjugated by neo "Gender / raunch feminism".
At this stage of Gender / raunch Empowerment, the only thing that would humble the Gender / Raunch pride parades would be if law enforcement were forced to hold women and girls "Equal under the law" like men and boys are.
By law enforcements not holding women and girls "Equal under the law", law enforcement, in effect, "manufacture faulty and inflammatory statistics" that Gender / Raunch professors grab a hold of, to preach to their students, "in order to "Empower" Gender / Raunch.
This would seem silly if it were not the truth.

ScareCrow said...

There have been a lot of excellent articles on this blog.

This one is the best IMO.

Anonymous said...

There is a HUGE difference between feminist fact(s) and real facts.

To feminists, the only real facts are the facts they create out of thin air.

IMHO, all feminists are engaged in the war on/against males.

Archivist said...

Nice of you to say, ScareCrow.

Anonymous said...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! this is the biggest load of crap I've read all day! Thanks for the laughs! Work at a rape crisis center and then tell me how much you know about rape. LYLAS!

Archivist said...

Anon at 4:27:

Represent a man falsely accused of rape sometime, and then tell me how much you know about false rape claims.

Snark said...

Another childish feminist drive-by flaming ...

It's really very simple.

Archivist has pointed out a flaw in feminist thinking.

Feminist states that we should not judge a case without knowing the facts.

Indeed, this seems a rational and respectable position.

Feminist uses this rational and respectable position to insist that we cannot, or should not, believe that the women in this particular case are lying.

Archivist points out that if we take this very rational and respectable position, then we also cannot, or should not, believe that men are guilty in any particular case before we know the facts.

And yet that is precisely what feminists do.

The fallacy is really easy to understand. Why is it that you responded with a childish comment, rather than address the fallacy?

Anonymous said...

"Why is it that you responded with a childish comment, rather than address the fallacy?"

Not to feed the troll, but I've been reading this and many other forums for a long time. And not once have I ever seen a feminist comment about rape that was a mature sensible argument based on facts and reason. It's not that they resort to insults and mockery, they begin with it. This tells me that they themselves do not believe that their position can be defended in a sane and civilized manner, because they never even try.

gwallan said...

Anonymous said...

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! this is the biggest load of crap I've read all day! Thanks for the laughs! Work at a rape crisis center and then tell me how much you know about rape. LYLAS!


Dunno about that. I'm a fairly regular poster and a consistent reader. I'm also a board member of a government funded rape crisis and counseling centre in Victoria, Australia. I would add that it's an elected role representing the centre's clients and facilitating communication between community and professional stakeholders.

How much do you reckon I don't know about rape?

Anonymous said...

*Blushes*

I still have "The Beauty Myth" on my shelf from the early 90's when I used to be a self-identified feminist. I didn't agree with everything in the book, but it was a good primer to certain concepts nwo found all over the blogosphere.

I used to have a crush on Noami Wolf. She was very beautiful back then, and to be fair to her, has aged well.

But yeah, over the years with the exception of a few things, she's been more fool than sage. This is just one of the few times she's been right.

Clarence

Anonymous said...

My false rape accuser got a chunk of money from a "rape crisis center" that she used to buy drugs. She never had to pay back any of the cash, cause as these centers tout "They always believe the women"...and i will add to that they "Always believe the women, even when shes lying".
Giving false rape accusers federal dollars so they can buy drug is a very serious institutionalized perversion.

Anonymous said...

We will continue to get one false rape accusation, after the next false rape accusation, after the next false rape accusation, after the next false rape accusation, after the next false rape accusation, after the..... Until the perversion in our legal system is corrected. By not charging false rape accusers, we have fostered and enabled a "culture of false rape accusations".

Anonymous said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/jaccuse-sweden-britain-an_b_795899.html

Anonymous said...

The Assange situation is a tricky one. We know the the ferocity in which Assange is being pursued on these charges is politically motivated and that most men accused of rape wouldn't be sent to jail without bail and put in solitary confinement. While I'm on the fence about who to believe, I'm trying not to side with one or the other. Hopefully the truth will come out, and if these women are lying then they should face prison, because women (or men) who falsely cry rape should be punished in the same vein that a rapists would be - not just because they are falsely accusing an innocent man, but because they're putting every rape victim in jeopardy of being believed. Yes, let's cry over these men who are falsely accused, but how many more men get away with rape than are falsely accused of it? How many more woman are victimized and violated and then aren't believed or even BLAMED for their own rape. It's atrocious. Surely you can understand why feminists so fiercely stick by the women in these cases.

And if a women ever says no before or during sex, it's rape. And if a woman agrees to sex with a condom and the man proceeds to engage in sex WITHOUT a condom and the woman says no, but the man continues until he's finished, then it's rape (which I believe is what one of the women in the Assange case is claiming?)

I'm glad there's support for people who are the victims of false rape accusations, but it should in no way be used as an example to prove that a woman who is claiming she has been raped is lying. Most women wouldn't willingly put themselves through a rape trial if they weren't raped.

And raging at feminists isn't the way to champion for victims of the falsely accused.