Friday, March 11, 2011

False rape stories have 'been done to death already'

Here is a comment, and my response that appeared under this story at A Voice for Men:

Mark
March 11th, 2011 - 07:28
Good God, does every other article on the site have to be about rape? It’s really been done to death already. False accusations, prison rape, rape culture, blah, blah, blah. Jesus, it’s like we’re more obsessed with the topic than the feminists are. There are so many other issues facing men right now, like poverty, unemployment, suicide, poor health, lack of reproductive rights, forced child support payments, the high mortality rate in male-dominated professions, the expectation that men continue to play the role of chivalrous providers in a world where more women than men go to college. The list goes on. I’m not saying false accusations are not a major concern, but must we continue to dwell on this topic when there are so many more pressing issues facing our gender right now?
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Pierce Harlan
March 11th, 2011 - 12:40

“It’s really been done to death already.”

Mark, your comment, I am certain, is well-meaning, and I understand where it is coming from. But I would respectfully suggest you exercise greater sensitivity when you advocate that we not “dwell” on false claims. That sort of talk can do a grievous disservice to a class of victims who have no one else to advocate for them. I am, frankly, accustomed to such insensitivity on the part of the feminists, but rarely in this friendly forum.

It is true that we are “obsessed” with the topic more than the feminists. That’s not saying much because the feminists — who, for thirty years have dominated the public discourse on rape — hardly talk about it at all. To the feminists, false claims are a “myth,” and that is the end of the discussion. My advocacy at False Rape Society on behalf of the falsely accused is met with derision and cries of “misogyny” (some have called for me to brutally raped) because I am focusing on a topic that supposedly hurts women, even though it doesn’t. In contrast, we are surprised by the number of actual rape victims (as opposed to the paid sexual grievance industry that is supposedly concerned about them) who support our work because they realize that every rape lie diminishes every legitimate rape claim.

Perhaps the following will highlight why your comment is such a concern. We do not share the contents of notes we receive from readers unless they want us to, and we get many. Without revealing any confidences, at FRS we have received notes from several people who have told us that our blog was instrumental in their decision not to take their own lives. I will also reveal that prior to my receipt of the first such note, I was prepared to pull the plug on FRS because I thought it had accomplished all it could accomplish in our current cultural climate and it is incredibly time-consuming, but that first note caused me to reconsider. I have estimated that I have sacrificed well in excess of $100,000 the past two years in lost billings. I say that not to elicit sympathy because there are an incredible number of men who are unemployed now, but to underscore how seriously I take our work.

Of the major MRA blogs, I see one measly blog that deals with false claims exclusively (aside from Durham in Wonderland, which takes a microscopic look at one false rape claim), and Paul and Bill are so kind to do what Glenn allowed me to do before them — post on their sites. One blog. Out of — I don’t know how many.

The fact is, on any given day, there are countless men and boys being arrested and held in jails across America for rapes they did not commit. I promise you, they don’t think the topic has been dealt with too much. They have no one raising awareness about them. Until several years ago, very, very few people knew this was even a problem.

The matters you raise are, of course, crucial. But poverty, unemployment, and poor health have a racial and class element that largely cuts across genders. Yes, like almost everything else, men are affected more than women. Each of the pathologies you chronicle is attributable to the gender roles women and men (mostly women) have assigned to men since the beginning of time. To suggest that this theme has been, in some manner, ignored is puzzling. There are, among the major MRA bloggers, an incredible number of pieces that discuss these issues; frankly, many of them are too theoretical for my taste. Moreover, some of the problems you mention have organized support that the false rape phenomenon simply does not have. Fathers and Families needs contributions — they lobby on support and custody issues. There are help groups for suicide and testicular cancer.

When men tell me that our blog was instrumental in their decision not to commit suicide, I hang my head in shame, because I know that there ought to be a lot more support for the falsely accused than one little blog. That’s a damn big burden to put on our shoulders.

I am sorry for the length of this comment. All of this is just to say that I come to exactly the opposite conclusion, with all due respect: there’s not nearly enough being said about or done for these innocents. Not nearly enough.

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's a big rock and it's going to take a lot of hammering for a long time to crack it.

Keep at it,the first sign of stress fractures are beginning to show!

Anonymous said...

Im deeply concerned about the now "institutionalized perversion of American law enforcement"that is not holding women equally accountable under the law. I believe the feminists of 80 years ago faught to be arrested and held accounted "Like the men were".
But most folks are "willfully ignorant" of the new "American Gender-Raunch" style feminism; which barely resembles anything to do with womens equality.
Neo "American gender-raunch feminism" is dominated by "gender-Raunch sexuality", which finds it perfectly normal for the pervert male professor to strap a dildo onto a saws-all, and take it to a women in front of his class, as a class exercise.
Decadence, debauchery, and perversion all wrapped up in the name of womens equality???

slwerner said...

Mark - "It’s really been done to death already."

Hum??? Let's see.

Has there been a move by politicians to address the issue of False rape allegations, and the immense damage that they can ,and do, cause?

Are lawmakers working on laws to more adequately punish those who make such false allegations, so as to create a disincentive against and severe consequence for doing so?

Has there been a serious and balance discussion of the issue on any major main-stream media news shows?

Have the numbers of FRA's been dropping?

Well, Mark, it seems like there's a Hell of a lot left to still be done.

Kudo's to Pierce and Steven for their efforts in getting the word out.

The sad reality is that the deck is stacked against men these days. All we can do is continue tot tell the truth enough times that it starts to become commonly accepted (the opposite of the feminist tactic of repeating lies often enough...).

So, until some real efforts to address the issues legally, and society-wide, there's little chance of doing those stories "to death". Apparently, they haven't yet even been done enough.

atlas said...

Fortunately, I have never been accused of rape. As an MRA and a man I am grateful to you for this site and I NEVER tire of reading articles about false-rape posted here, at the Spearhead, and at AVfM. I post at those sites using a different online name.

Keep up the great work and thank you.

Arod99k said...

Pierce and Steven thank you for exposing this problem, maybe one day the system will change.

AfOR said...

False Rape Society blogspot $0.00
Time / Money invested $100,000.00

Effect on those falsely accused and their families... $priceless.

Anonymous said...

One brave web site devoted to justice vs. mandatory rape hysteria indoctrination classes at every college in the country that produce the injustice. It's clear what is being "done to death".

Dehbashi said...

I'm glad I saw this site. It has taught me alot over the last few months how bad the false rape culture is. It was worse than I thought.

Anonymous said...

This blog is a fucking joke. The criminal system has had a well-recorded bias AGAINST female rape victims. It wasn't even until the 1980's that all jurisdictions had some form of the rape shield laws. Until the point, defendants could bring in all sorts of extrinsic bullshit to play on the juror's conservative religious beliefs in order to vilify victims of sexual violence.

Do false accusations happen? Of course. Is this far outweighed by the number of women who skip reporting because of the social repercussions? Significantly. I applaud you for every false conviction you help to overturn but chastise you for every woman that declines reporting because of your lop-sided, fear-mongering bullshit. You are officially doing more harm than good.

Archivist said...

Anon at 2:10: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/12/myth-frs-is-part-of-culture-that-leads.html

Anonymous said...

Was that supposed to be some sort of rebuttal? No, reporting about false rapes does not cause women to stop reporting rapes. The underlying attitude of the garbage-blog does. Nearly all the posts and comments have this underlying suspicion and disbelief. Nearly 70% of people accused of rape are repeat offenders. These people are innocent until proven guilt, I understand but the victims shouldn't be lying until proven truthful.

Anonymous said...

"Do false accusations happen? Of course. Is this far outweighed by the number of women who skip reporting because of the social repercussions? Significantly."

This is an "ends justify means" argument - the calculus that laws that jail and brutalize some innocent men can be rationalized by a theoretical improvement in more women's security.

The problem with it is that it works only so long as the law continues to be respected and enforced.

When the guilty are let free because guilt is difficult to demonstrate using evidence and judgment of likelihood, the only harm that could be done is the small possibility of a repeat offense. When the innocent are punished because standards of proof are too low, the harm done is certain and severe.

The salient difference is that lax standards of proof ensure the small possibility of harm coming to future female victims is further minimized at the cost of certain immense harm to men. It is the same difference in valuation of the sexes that resulted in disproportionate male casualties on the Titanic, and sees the same suffering inordinately inflicted on men in war, disaster, the work-place, prisons, gallows and government health spending.

Laws and policies such as this only get respected as long as men think that they are just. For a long time, men accepted them as a fact of life. No longer. Many privileged people may correctly perceive that the best way to maintain their privilege is to convince men that they have nothing to complain
about. Good luck with that.

Archivist said...

Yes, that is our rebuttal. Sorry to have incurred your displeasure, but you have thoroughly misinterpreted what we believe.

Every rape accusation is to be afforded the utmost respect, and every rape accuser the utmost courtesy. But an accusation should not be "believed" merely because a woman reported she's been raped. Such knee-jerk acceptance of every rape claim does a grave disservice to the man or boy accused. It is that attitude that leads to so many terrible injustices -- as a society, we permit the reputations of persons falsely accused of sex crimes to be destroyed by even baseless accusations of a lone accuser; we permit the presumptively innocent, who too often turn out to be falsely accused, to be arrested and jailed on even far-fetched claims, with bail set sufficiently high to insure they won't be released before trial; and we excuse false accusers with little or no punishment, inviting others to falsely accuse with impunity and without deterrent.

If the accuser's claim is automatically believed, then, by necessity, he is a rapist. "Although it may not be 'politically correct' to question the veracity of a women's complaint of rape, failing to consider the accuser may be intentionally lying effectively eradicates the presumption of innocence." Dr. Bruce Gross, "False Rape Allegations: An Assault on Justice," Annals of the American Psychotherapy Associaton, Dec. 22, 2008.

You would do well to study the principle explained in this post, which is a fundamental aspect of our jurisprudence: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/09/allowing-rapist-to-go-free-is-never-as.html

Again, I very much doubt that you are going to agree with us, because your stance seems premised on anger and feminist misconceptions, not rationality. You have failed to posit even a single point that can even be addressed with specificity. Your comments are the equivalent of "you are wrong, I am right, end of discussion."

Respectfully, the principles I have expressed in the posts cited are universally accepted by American legal scholars and jurists. There is nothing whatsoever controversial about any of it.

Rape victims have expressed support of this blog because they loathe and detest false accusers almost as much as their own rapists.

It is most unfortunate that the falsely accused are not permitted even one blog to advocate for them without being subjected to hateful attacks.

In any event, thank you for reading our blog.

Anonymous said...

Once again, an angry feminist attacks this blog without being able to articulate a rational basis. They hate the fact that this blog exists. You are bringing up a subject they don't want discussed.

Axel said...

"Nearly all the posts and comments have this underlying suspicion and disbelief."

That's because nearly all the posts involve the worst kind of lying scum.

Rape victims don't see themselves in these stories, any more than innocent men see themselves as rapists in stories about actual rapes.

AfOR said...

"Nearly 70% of people accused of rape are repeat offenders."

Complete and utter fucking bullshit...

E. Steven Berkimer said...

AFoR,

Thanks. Anon, I'm going to ask you to back up that 70% assertion. Please provide a link to the proof of that statement.

Thanks.

AfOR said...

OT

I have just found my FRA ex's profile on a dating site... hilarious, a 5 year old picture, interests that I never once saw her do in ten bloody years, and a profile that specifically states that honesty is absolutely essential in a relationship.

Seems my knee jerk reaction to not even respond to or communicate with any female who lists honesty / truth / trust or a history involving lousy men was spot on....

Anonymous said...

Steven, even if Anon provided you with a link to prove that 70% assertion, you'd find a way to disprove it, so why bother.

The Fems do the same thing with assertions of false rape claims. This gets us nowhere.

It all depend on whose study, whose statistics you choose to quote.

Anonymous said...

These stories have barely been touched on!

And this is the tip of the iceberg. What about the thousands of cases in which WE NEVER FIND OUT SHE WAS LYING? Our prisons are filled with innocents!

Anonymous said...

"Do false accusations happen? Of course. Is this far outweighed by the number of women who skip reporting because of the social repercussions? Significantly."

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Totally untrue, and irrelevent, at any rate.

Rape victims who refrain from reporting DO SO BY CHOICE. THE FALSELY ACCUSED DO NOT CONSENT TO BEING VICTIMIZED.

As usual the feminist posits a class of people that is allegedly unable to fend for itself -- poor, helpless women -- and demands the sacrifice of another class of people, the falsely accused. Like all authoritarians, she rationalizes violating our human rights in the name of protecting incompetent morons who don't report being raped, while grossly exaggerating their numbers.

Anonymous said...

Incidentally, the false rape accuser is the only type of criminal who supposed to get a free lunch: nobody ever argues that insurance frauds, tax cheats or identity thieves should get off.

Why is that? Obviously because the feminists and their goons don't want the public to learn the true extent of the false rape epidemic, or just how many innocent men are in prison as we sit here discussing this. If false rape accusations really were the minor problem that they claim it is then they would happily throw Mangum and Todd under a bus and get it over with.

Archivist said...

"Steven, even if Anon provided you with a link to prove that 70% assertion, you'd find a way to disprove it, so why bother."

Completely unfair. If we have a problem with a study, we explain what it is. I have often tried to find stats on repeat offenders, and can't. DOJ relies on a study that I can't vouch for in this document -- http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/e03021472.pdf -- DOJ states:
"It is unknown how many college rapists are repeat offenders. . . . One study found that 96 college men accounted for 187 rapes . . . ."

I can't think of why that particular stat would be politicized.

Archivist said...

It is our policy not to allow insulting comments, whether directed to the bloggers or one of our readers. We also have a policy of not allowing comments that detract from our mission, but we often do leave comments up that can be used as a teaching moment.

E. Steven Berkimer said...

Anon,

Sorry, but if a claim is made that X is true, and we ask for verification, I don't think that's too much to ask. Might we pick the study apart? Possibly. But all studies have some problems. And the ones the SGI tend to use, are usually overloaded with bias.

But I could just as easily say that 100% of rape claims are false, with nothing to back it up but my say so, and that doesn't make it true.

Make a claim, back it up.

Or, and pardon my bluntness, shut the hell up (and that's not directed at you, unless you are the same anon). I'm tired of people coming here saying "X number of rape victims don't do X", yet they can't prove a thing.

This is exactly what the SGI has done for years, and since people didn't call them on it, they got away with it. And the result is the kind of knee jerk reactions we see to rape claims, in almost every story we run on this site. Innocent men and boys being targeted, and that being seen as acceptable, by a great many people.

Archivist said...

I agree 100% with Steve.

Funny how people misunderstand us. Here's the truth: nothing would make us happier than if, for example, the rate of false rape claims was really only two percent. Long before I started this blog, I searched in vain to prove that stat. And when I found evidence to the contrary, I tried very hard to debunk it. I mean, I spent many, many hours doing that.

The trolls who frequent this site really need to know that I tried like hell to prove what you take as a given. I couldn't do it, and what I found made me angry that people like you lie. And I started this blog.

Nick S said...

"The criminal system has had a well-recorded bias AGAINST female rape victims. It wasn't even until the 1980's that all jurisdictions had some form of the rape shield laws. Until the point, defendants could bring in all sorts of extrinsic bullshit to play on the juror's conservative religious beliefs in order to vilify victims of sexual violence."

Miss Anon, get down off your soap box and take a valium.

It may surprise you to know that there are other sound reasons for including the alleged victim's sexual history as evidence, rather than simply a desire to trash the characters of genuine rape victims by portraying them as sluts. But no doubt this would never occur to you, as you have probably spent your entire life simply listening to the same feminist talking points and never even considered the other side of the story.

In principle, rape shield laws may seem fair. If a woman is raped, why should it matter if she has slept with 100 men previously? If she didn't consent to sex with the man in the dock, it should make no difference? Surely? While that may seem fair and reasonable in theory and principle, unfortunately the realities of a trial are not that simple or cut-and-dried.

The principle problem is that in many rape cases (particularly the "he said/she said" varieties) the evidence of what really happened is often weak. A court and a jury must look at the evidence and make a judgment about what probably happened, often based in large part on their assessment of the circumstances and the character of the accused and the accuser.

[to be continued]

Nick S said...

[continued]

Suppose you have a rape trial where the prosecution says to the accused "do you expect this court to believe that Miss X agreed to have sex with you just seconds after meeting you?". And suppose the defense can prove that Miss X has a previous history of agreeing to sex with men under similar circumstances. Well, they cannot admit it as evidence.

The problem with suppressing an alleged victim's sexual history is that a jury may well convict an innocent man based on the belief that it is unlikely that the woman would have agreed to sex under the circumstances. But it may well be the case that a more promiscuous woman might, and in the case possibly did, agree to sex under those circumstances.

The argument for rape shield laws was always that they are necessary to prevent unscrupulous defense lawyers from smearing genuine rape victims as sluts in order to get their clients off the hook. But the flip side is that suppressing a woman's sexual history too often allows the prosecution to construct a mythology of the alleged victim's sexual innocence and use this to convict an innocent man in the absence of other evidence. Again, society has taken the attitude that sparing potential victims suffering or embarrassment is more important than ensuring the accused has a fair trial and due process.

None of this would matter quite so much if a rape conviction could only be secured through overwhelming independent evidence (like say forensics and strong evidence of force, other witnesses, video, audio etc.). But when a man can largely be convicted based on a woman's word, and the jury is not even allowed to know less favorably aspects of her character, well, this causes problems. To say the least.

Nick S said...

Pierce, that is a good point. What most of our critics fail to realize is that many of us, myself included, started out life believing in much of the nonsense about gender equality or women being mistreated or disadvantaged that is routinely rammed down our throats through the state education system, academia, the media etc. Until I was about 21, I would probably have described my position on gender issues as somewhat "dissident feminist".

For me, it was only really through extensive independent learning and research that I began to become more aware of all the evidence that had been suppressed or marginalized on many issues, that my outlook changed. And for many, it is only through bitter life experiences and being mugged by reality that they have come around to another point of view.

Looking back on it now, it is clear that much of my earlier outlook was due to the fact that I had simply internalized much of the misandry that was rampant in the culture as I was growing up, and which tended to be reinforced by a lot of the usual shaming tactics by women in everyday life. That is why, whenever I read stories about some college males adopting some stupid stunt to show their concern for women, I kind of cringe a little thinking that I was really not much better. Although I had enough integrity and maturity not to engage in all that nonsense, I still feel a certain inner shame at having been once hoodwinked by all the BS. And I like to think I am smarter than most people, yet apparently I wasn't smart enough.

What most of the feminist trolls don't get is that many of us have been there, done that, bought the T-shirt and moved on. But while we have matured and evolved, they are still stuck on a more primitive level.

Anonymous said...

Until the point, defendants could bring in all sorts of extrinsic bullshit to play on the juror's conservative religious beliefs in order to vilify victims of sexual violence."

***

Not necessarily. There were high profile cases involving black defendents in which all sorts of VERY relevant evidence was ruled out by racist judges.

The system was never a happy place to be a male defendent -- even if you had Atticus Finch defending you!

Anonymous said...

Rape shield laws are unjust, incidentally. There is no justification for them.

They should be eliminated ASAP.

Anonymous said...

"Do false accusations happen? Of course. Is this far outweighed by the number of women who skip reporting because of the social repercussions? Significantly."

And how do you know how many women DON'T report being raped? Telepathy?

Or are you so certain there are a lot of rapes happening that aren't reported because you think most men are rapists?

Isn't that the REAL source of your intimate knowledge about how many rapes are going on that nobody has any way of knowing about?

"It wasn't even until the 1980's that all jurisdictions had some form of the rape shield laws."

Rape shield laws violate a person's constitutional rights to face their accuser.You're applauding legal regression? Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in Cambodia where people simply disappeared whenever the state had a beef with them for any reason?

"Implying that a woman is hysterical because she doesn't agree with a man's opinion is soooo typical."

Implying that a woman who does not agree with a man's opinion is never in a state of hysteria is soooooo typical, and mathematically impossible.

"These people are innocent until proven guilt, I understand but the victims shouldn't be lying until proven truthful."

They aren't "lying until proven truthful", you imbecile, the truth of their claims is held in a state of doubt until it can be ascertained that they are legally entitled to justice.

That's nowhere near the same thing as "you're lying".

I assume you'd prefer a world where people are just automatically assumed guilty of whatever crime they are accused of with no right and no chance to prove that they are innocent.They would wholeheartedly agree with your statement in the Salem, Massachusetts of 1692.

"Hey, I saw that guy say some words and then a lightning bolt struck my house!"

"Oh, did you now? Seems like an open and shut case to me, the witchcraft victim must always be believed, after all they're god-fearing Christians. Why would they lie? Ok, he's a witch, hang him!"

That's the world you're advocating for.

There's a good reason why our justice system doesn't work that way in America today. Tens of thousands of INNOCENT PEOPLE have FUCKING DIED because of the very system you're advocating,where a simple claim of a crime is enough to establish guilt.

So no, no one is saying people who report rapes are lying. Just because you don't understand concepts like justice,ethics, civil liberties,fairness,or morality doesn't mean you have the right to remove the option of injecting some sanity into a situation from those of us who WERE born with a soul and a conscience.

And you wonder why women weren't allowed to vote for so long. Frankly, I'm glad that's the case, if they had been in on establishing our basic liberties with the foreFATHERS we'd all be living in fucking gulags right now because women have no souls. They have absolutely NO understanding of justice.

They think 15 minutes of inconvenience for a woman while her claim of rape is scrutinized for veracity is worth 15 YEARS of a man's life and his repeated raping in prison.

Jesus fucking Christ, what in the FUCK is wrong with you feminists?

Anonymous said...

I'm the anon 2:00 from above. On a personal note, I just want to say how much I can't fucking WAIT until the pendulum starts swinging the other way.

Maybe once a few of these feminists spend 25 years in jail for a crime they didn't commit, maybe then they'll understand the need for an accuser to PROVE that a crime actually took place before,you know, just summarily passing judgment on anyone accused of a crime.

Fucking LUNATICS. You feminists are fucking savages, I would say we should exile you to Papua New Guinea,but I think that would put those poor people at a disadvantage. They have no way of dealing with people who are even more primitive than they are.

Anonymous said...

"Do false accusations happen? Of course. Is this far outweighed by the number of women who skip reporting because of the social repercussions? Significantly."

And how do you know how many women DON'T report being raped? Telepathy?

Or are you so certain there are a lot of rapes happening that aren't reported because you think most men are rapists?

Isn't that the REAL source of your intimate knowledge about how many rapes are going on that nobody has any way of knowing about?

"It wasn't even until the 1980's that all jurisdictions had some form of the rape shield laws."

Rape shield laws violate a person's constitutional rights to face their accuser.You're applauding legal regression? Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in Cambodia where people simply disappeared whenever the state had a beef with them for any reason?

"Implying that a woman is hysterical because she doesn't agree with a man's opinion is soooo typical."

Implying that a woman who does not agree with a man's opinion is never in a state of hysteria is soooooo typical, and mathematically impossible.

"These people are innocent until proven guilt, I understand but the victims shouldn't be lying until proven truthful."

They aren't "lying until proven truthful", you imbecile, the truth of their claims is held in a state of doubt until it can be ascertained that they are legally entitled to justice.

Tens of thousands of INNOCENT PEOPLE have FUCKING DIED because of the very system you're advocating,where a simple claim of a crime is enough to establish guilt.

So no, no one is saying people who report rapes are lying. Just because you don't understand concepts like justice,ethics, civil liberties,fairness,or morality doesn't mean you have the right to remove the option of injecting some sanity into a situation from those of us who WERE born with a soul and a conscience.

Feminists think 15 minutes of inconvenience for a woman while her claim of rape is scrutinized for veracity is worth 15 YEARS of a man's life and his repeated raping in prison.

Jesus fucking Christ, what in the FUCK is wrong with you feminists?

Anonymous said...

"I applaud you for every false conviction you help to overturn but chastise you for every woman that declines reporting because of your lop-sided, fear-mongering bullshit. You are officially doing more harm than good."

While there is no evidence demonstrating the existence of any such women, it is the second-wave feminists who have been screeching at every available opportunity for over 30 years that rape victims are not believed and supported. Why not hold them accountable for their "lop-sided, fear-mongering bullshit"?

Everything we know shows that the police take rape claims very seriously. If what the feminists claim were true, then there would be thousands of lawsuits every year from women whose reports were ignored. Where are all the "I was raped but the police refused to investigate" stories?

So why would feminists say something, that is not even true, that might discourage some rape victims from reporting? The reason is that feminists want to claim that rape is massively underreported without blaming women for their own alleged behavior. That would be "blaming the victim". Which we all know is a no-no. Therefore, it has to be something that can be blamed on someone else. So the feminist mantra is that rape is unreported because rape claims are not automatically believed (and they are not automatically believed due to "misogyny" and "rape culture", not because some people lie).

Yet, there isn't any evidence that rape is massively unreported. So if feminists could just finally admit that, then they could stop telling women that they won't be believed and supported. But they won't do that. Because then there wouldn't be enough rape to justify their entire political movement, along with all the jobs for them their lies have created. This imaginary "rape crisis" was invented in the late 70's, shortly after abortion was legalized, because feminists had run out of emotional issues to gain attention. Apparently, for thousands of years prior to that, not one person that could use a pen noticed that there was all this rape happening.

Nick S said...

What is most interesting about these kinds of claims made by the SGI is that when it comes to real rapes, they insist that there are vastly greater numbers of rapes that go unreported and rapists that go free for every rape conviction. Whether or not one agrees that this is true, they fail to see that much the same claim can be made for the other side of the argument. For every false allegation that is proven, and for every wrongly convicted person who is later exonerated, there may well be many more cases of false allegations or wrongful convictions where the lie is never proven, the false accuser never recants, or the evidence exonerating the wrongly convicted never emerges.

When it comes to the problem of real rapes, apparently we are simply seeing the tip of a very large iceberg. But when it comes to the problem of false allegations, apparently we are not seeing the tip of a very large iceberg. Rather, according to Miss Anon, the number of cases reported on this site already represents not merely a comprehensive entirety of the problem, but apparently a gross exaggeration of the problem. So when it comes to rape, for every rat you see there is 50 you don't see. But when it comes to false accusations, for every rat you see there is even less than meets the eye. Impeccable logic!

This type of selective reasoning is typical of those who approach an issue from a starting point of extreme ideological bias, and then attempt to assimilate whatever real-world evidence they encounter in such a way as to reinforce their narrow ideological view. A good example of confirmation bias.

Anonymous said...

You could just as easily say, "rape stories have been done to death already"! And it's true. Just compare the amount of attention devoted to rape to the attention given to the far worse crime of false rape accusations.

Anonymous said...

For every false allegation that is proven, and for every wrongly convicted person who is later exonerated, there may well be many more cases of false allegations or wrongful convictions where the lie is never proven, the false accuser never recants, or the evidence exonerating the wrongly convicted never emerges.

***

That's right! We have no way of knowing how many innocent men are in prison because of these liars, who the system has given extra-legal status.

Anonymous said...

False rape stories have not been done to death. I would guess that 99%+ of our society does not even know this problem exists.

I have never seen a story about the trend of false rape in any form of major media. It isn't on TV/radio/newspapers/magazines, and if it were to be they would be labeled sexist and most likely be threatened by feminists who would contact advertisers.

This is a problem. I just learned of it. I want to extend my deepest gratitude to the people who are standing up for men, and I will do my part to help spread the word. You opened my eyes, and I will try to do the same for the people in my life.

Thank you,


Patrick

Anonymous said...

When feminists and manginas say stupid, childish things -- "False rape stories have been done to death!" -- they reveal just how deeply they've implanted their heads in the sand.

"See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil." But this problem isn't going away.